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Old 06-26-2013, 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozzy997 View Post
Oh, and they sold the Ferrari, despite my polite request to wait until this matter was resolved. After John George described it as "messed up" (he got pretty defensive when the GTS issues were being described to him) it aced the PPI and was sold yesterday. Buyer is a cool guy, he has told me everything. Including that there were protestors outside the dealership yesterday related to another pissed off customer lol.
I'm both surprised and not so surprised that they sold your car. Surprised in that they would further exposed themselves to legal issues, and not surprised because they are idiots. Why would they not hold off selling the Ferrari for a few weeks is beyond me.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:04 PM
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Surprised in that they would further exposed themselves to legal issues, and not surprised because they are idiots. Why would they not hold off selling the Ferrari for a few weeks is beyond me.
Because it likely does not expose them to further legal issues and they need to continue running their business. Assuming BHP loses this dispute, they will likely have to refund the purchase price of the car. I am definitely NOT on BHP's side in this matter, but disputes are a part of business. A company cannot stop operating simply because of a dispute. That's why we have the legal system and also why the remedy for breach of contract (in general) is simply to make the non-breaching party whole (usually in dollars). It's simply the most efficient way to do things.

Regarding the protesters... Looks like BHP is getting a (another?) lesson in customer relations.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:22 PM
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:27 PM
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I would also use dealerrater.com to express your horrible experience.


I feel so bad for the OP
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozzy997 View Post
Oh, and they sold the Ferrari, despite my polite request to wait until this matter was resolved. After John George described it as "messed up" (he got pretty defensive when the GTS issues were being described to him) it aced the PPI and was sold yesterday. Buyer is a cool guy, he has told me everything. Including that there were protestors outside the dealership yesterday related to another pissed off customer lol.

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I really feel badly for you. What is your lawyer doing? Get a clear understanding of next steps.

Also, are you a PCA member? You might want to reach out to the local PCA chapter in or around LA and find out if they have a dealer liaison function that might get to the right folks at BH Porsche.

Anyone on Rennlist that uses BH Porsche needs to send a note to them telling them of your disappointment in their poor conduct.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:20 PM
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Since they've sold your F-car I assume that this will likely end in litigation based on BHP's behavior to date... So I wonder if you should consider a PPI, post purchase inspection, by your local p-dealer at this point. It's one thing to have your detailer provide expert statements re the condition of the vehicle's paint but it would be that much more relevant if another p-dealer provides a written PPI report re the overall condition and/or viability of CPO on the GTS. Remember that there are numerous checklist items which the car must past re minimum wear/tear condition... ie brakes and tires at 75% minimum(I believe). We know that the F-car passed it's PPI with flying colors but would the GTS pass? A failed PPI from a p-dealer would certainly help with your case that BHP had misrepresented the car as "perfect" or even CPO'd. BTW, has BHP provided you with their CPO checklist yet? I'm traveling on business but would be willing to fwd a copy of my CPO checklist when I get back home tomorrow... just PM me. May also be good to get the F-car's PPI report from one of the buyers who reached out to you... maybe pay them for the report so there's no question of ownership re the PPI printout down the road during litigation. GL
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:21 PM
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Lozzy - I live in Los Angeles, let me know if there's anything I can do to help. This whole experience sounds really terrible.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by iammulva View Post
Because it likely does not expose them to further legal issues and they need to continue running their business. Assuming BHP loses this dispute, they will likely have to refund the purchase price of the car. I am definitely NOT on BHP's side in this matter, but disputes are a part of business. A company cannot stop operating simply because of a dispute. That's why we have the legal system and also why the remedy for breach of contract (in general) is simply to make the non-breaching party whole (usually in dollars). It's simply the most efficient way to do things.
I'm well aware that disputes are the nature of business, but delaying the sale of the Ferrari for a few weeks would hardly stop the dealership from "operating".
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by USMC_DS1 View Post
So I wonder if you should consider a PPI, post purchase inspection, by your local p-dealer at this point.
I like this idea
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:23 PM
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I'm well aware that disputes are the nature of business, but delaying the sale of the Ferrari for a few weeks would hardly stop the dealership from "operating".
True. My point was only that there is no increase in liability for having sold the car and the reason for that is, in the aggregate, it is less efficient if businesses were required to suspend part of their operations in cases like this when a dispute occurs. I think BHP should have held the car.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:57 PM
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I'm not sure how the car would not meet cpo criteria as described. I was under the impression that cpo allowed for some respray work. Now the fact that it was poorly done may not disqualify it. Also, having the clear coat ground down all the way may not be mentioned either.

Was it misrepresented, sure but it still might meet the cpo checklist.
Hopefully a Porsche dealer in your area can shed some light on the situation. I wouldn't say anything to them and just see what they come up with.
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:21 PM
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Thanks for the input, I will drop by my local dealer and see what they think of the car. Maybe also look at some of the ones they have, for comparison. Although I realize cars are often detailed before going out. Not heard of dealer rater, will take a look also
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Old 06-26-2013, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Hella-Buggin' View Post
I'm not sure how the car would not meet cpo criteria as described. I was under the impression that cpo allowed for some respray work. Now the fact that it was poorly done may not disqualify it. Also, having the clear coat ground down all the way may not be mentioned either.

Was it misrepresented, sure but it still might meet the cpo checklist.
Hopefully a Porsche dealer in your area can shed some light on the situation. I wouldn't say anything to them and just see what they come up with.
I wonder how many people would read Porsche's "philosophy" of their CPO standards and expect to get a car with ****ty paint repair and no clear coat. For example: "Rigorous mechanical and bodywork standards must be met by every Porsche Approved vehicle."

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Old 06-26-2013, 04:39 PM
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sandwedge - yes indeed, I read those claims with amusement
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Lozzy, kudos to you for having patience. I would have been on their doorstep as soon as I found out how bad the car was and received the resistance from the dealer. This is complete and total BS. They are just waiting for you to get tired of messing with it and just lay down. Please don't do that.

Honestly, this has been really bothering me and I have thought of many things I would have probably done. Most of which would have landed me in jail. And I'm pretty easy to get along with.
Lets see.....pay some people that are down and out on their luck to protest in front of the place.....Uhh...rental car thru the front window......Uhh......Ill just keep the rest to myself. Hang in there~~
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