Is there a problem with a 997.2 911 C4S?
01-08-2013, 03:14 AM
#17
Nordschleife Master
If they're slow sellers I want to know where all those slow sellers are. I've been looking quietly for a 2011 or 2012 C4S, even a CPO 2010 and there's not much to choose from.
01-08-2013, 09:27 PM
#21
The only problem with the $s is that is too good! LOL
i just picked up my 09 4S Launch car today! Only 13K miles and CPO...
I will do a full review in the coming days but after a 200 mile drive i can only say WOW!!!
i just picked up my 09 4S Launch car today! Only 13K miles and CPO...
I will do a full review in the coming days but after a 200 mile drive i can only say WOW!!!
01-09-2013, 03:27 AM
#25
Poseur
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There is a significant plus factor for the 09 or 997.2 C4 cars--the AWD is much more sophisticated than that found in the earlier 997.1 cars because it finally adopted the 997 Turbo AWD system that is much closer to that of the 959 and the 964 Carrera 4 cars. When Porsche introduced AWD to their 964 cars in 1989 they were building a very complex AWD system into those cars--very closely engineered after the 959. However, in time it was found that the all wheel drive was way too complex for a normal street car. Its reliability was low. They ultimately adopted the much simpler AWD from Volkswagen--found in their Synchro Vanagons. It's a viscous clutch arrangement that is fairly idiot proof. As electronics have gotten much more sophisticated and reliable, the simpler viscous clutch design was abandoned and a true electronic AWD was put back in. The MY09 cars marks the very start of the true electronic AWD in the Carreras.
As mentioned earlier, you do pay a premium for the AWD with a weight, reliability and handling penalty, but it will help you out in many situations if you are truly new to the 911 experience.
As mentioned earlier, you do pay a premium for the AWD with a weight, reliability and handling penalty, but it will help you out in many situations if you are truly new to the 911 experience.
Last edited by Edgy01; 01-13-2013 at 10:38 PM.
01-10-2013, 10:21 AM
#26
Three Wheelin'
With the weather in the 30s here in Seattle area and rainy, slushy storms this is the perfect weather for my 09 C4S with winter Pirellis. Our local PCA club is having their winter driving skills day in Bremerton this Saturday. I did this last year and it is fun to experience the AWD on the autocross course. Still hard to spin on the wet skidpad unless you take PSE off.
01-11-2013, 07:45 PM
#27
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We added a 09 C4S with PDK to our family with 36K miles - for my wife. She has tracked it and her track instructor loved the 4 wheel feel. He is considering one to add to his GT3 RS at a future date. I'm not sure the weather is the overall factor. Why did we get it - wife wanted a loaded C4S (that simple). I agree that most of the C4's are really loaded and tends to drive the price up. We are in California. Nits (no rear trunk for the purse, the exhaust is too loud) LOL
01-12-2013, 02:41 PM
#29
I know of no study showing decreased reliability with the AWD cars, nor do I think there is a handling "penalty". Having driven both, all I can say is that either a RWD or AWD 911 is a spectacular handling car.
If you like to get the tail out, the C2S will appeal more to you, if you like a grip monster with a slightly faster acceleration, the C4S is the way to go, especially if weather might be a concern. Winter tires/rims should be used with either during the cold season, though.
The wider rear of the 997-era C4s seems more prominent than the 991 C4s, as the newer RWD cars rear haunches are wider already to my eyes, at least in pics and in person. The wide-butt of the 997 is amazing; heresy I know, but it's as pleasurable to look at as it is to drive. I think you have nothing to worry about.
If you like to get the tail out, the C2S will appeal more to you, if you like a grip monster with a slightly faster acceleration, the C4S is the way to go, especially if weather might be a concern. Winter tires/rims should be used with either during the cold season, though.
The wider rear of the 997-era C4s seems more prominent than the 991 C4s, as the newer RWD cars rear haunches are wider already to my eyes, at least in pics and in person. The wide-butt of the 997 is amazing; heresy I know, but it's as pleasurable to look at as it is to drive. I think you have nothing to worry about.
01-12-2013, 04:07 PM
#30
Drifting
There is a significant plus factor for the 09 or 997.2 C4 cars--the AWD is much more sophisticated than that found in the earlier 997.1 cars because it finally adopted the 997 Turbo AWD system that is much closer tothat of the 959 and the 964 Carrera 4 cars. When Porsche introduced AWD to their 964 cars in 1989 they were building a very complex AWD system into those cars--very closely engineered after the 959. However, in time it was found that the all wheel drive was way too complex for a normal street car. It's reliability was low. They ultimately adopted much simpler AWD from Volkswagen--found in their Synchro Vanagons. It's a viscous clutch arrangement that was fairly idiot proof. As electronics have gotten much more sophisticated and reliable, the simpler viscous clutch design was abandoned and a true electronic AWD was put back in. The MY09 cars marks the very start of the true electronic AWD in the Carreras.
As mentioned earlier, you do pay a premium for the AWD with a weight, reliability and handling penalty, but it will help you out in many situations if you are truly new to the 911 experience.
As mentioned earlier, you do pay a premium for the AWD with a weight, reliability and handling penalty, but it will help you out in many situations if you are truly new to the 911 experience.
Lexus, RX330/350, continued to market as F/awd using the VC while in actuality no VC exisisted in the drivetrain.
No one noticed. Well, almost no one.