MJBird993

Reading about the SC package on the Porsche website, it lists the dynamic engine mounts as part of the package. I don't think this was true on the 997, is it? What do I get with the Sport Chrono package?

I ask because I am thinking about buying a 2010 Coupe that appears to have the Sport Chrono package (I can see the stopwatch in the pictures) and since there is a switch with a shock absorber on it, I'm guessing that that it also has PASM? It's also got the "Sport" button, so I'm guessing that was another package?

This is the link to the car.

Comments, suggestions, advice?

Thanks,
Michael

(past 964, 993, 996 owner, current Panamera S owner)

cvtbenhogan

Not sure about the sports chrono. A must have for the Pdk cars by all accounts. There are a couple good threads on this.

The car looks well optioned for a non S, a rarity in having pasm. The price seems high to me though. Have you considered the 09s and the S model?

If I were looking, I'd be comparing to 09s like this.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...Index=15&Log=0

MJBird993

I agree that it is a little expensive, but it's a CPO at a Porsche dealer.

I don't drink the "S" cool-aid. I don't see the advantage to spending all of that money for a couple of horsepower that I'll never use nor notice. I don't do track days any more (although if I bought another 911, I might be tempted...) so why pay the premium?

91469972

S Cool-Aid? So why did you buy a Panamera S or even state you had an S if it really means nothing? 385 HP vs. 345 is a difference! Do some research and become a member!

Renzsport

sport button comes with SC, shock absorber button=PASM as you stated...
I don't think you get the dynamic mounts with SC, except for on a turbo maybe?
Nice looking car

Rob

rsabeebe

Michael, wasn't it Kool-Aid? That should have been S Kool-Aid and I drank it. 30-40hp (depending on 997.1 or 997.2) was enough for me to bump up to the S. Plus, I hear just the S decal on the decklid is worth 3hp... Is your Panamera an S?

mattyf

for the 997 sport chrono does not include dynamic mounts.

cvtbenhogan

Yeah your right about CPO. Sorry missed that.

Not a S kool aide drinker either.

However, the S tends to come with more attractive options on balance. Such as pasm, 19s, chrono and etc. Other upgrades in the S are nice as well, white gauges, bigger brakes, and bigger engine (just a mere 40 hps more). Opening your search to 09 S models will provide more and potentially better alternatives IMHO. Such as in the link I posted earlier.

MJBird993

That's what this thread is... research.

I didn't realize that it was a 40 HP difference. I might notice that.

On the Panamera, the base V6 is 300 HP, the "S" gives you the V8 with 400 HP. I noticed that, so I ponied up the money this one time.

However, on the Pano you don't get quite as many included options on the "S" as you do on the 911, as cvtbenhogan pointed out.

And I've noticed especially on the 993 that in resale the "S" carries quite a premium. I don't know how true that will be for the 997, time will tell I guess.

Thanks all!

rsabeebe

As you said, time will tell on the 997S, but it's certainly not a direct comparison. The 993 C4S and C2S were basically 'turbo look' cars like earlier models - turbo body and brakes, minus the turbos and wing. What you got was that ***, relatively low production numbers and the last of the air-cooled WBs. They have reached cult status. For the 997S, it now meant performance over body style. No longer the same engine and different body, it was now same body and different engine. Personally, I would love to have the 3.8 AND the WB!! I'm sure it's due to engineering, but it pisses me off that you now have to buy an AWD version to get a WB. Even though my 997S is actually wider than a 993 C2S, the overall appearance still goes to the 993 due to the slimmer cabin enhancing that wide ***. Seems to me the 993 S was the 'Kool-Aid' of the day back then and that worked out pretty well. Drink up!!

stltim1979

Just to help with those researching (as I am now), isnt it possible to have a 997.2 wide body s, also known as the GTS?

rsabeebe

You are absolutely correct. Only a 1 year option in 2011, though. This car was to slot between the Carrera/CarreraS and the GT3 and is the only possible way to get a WB and S (or better) specs in a 997. It only took Porsche 6 years to come up with it, right before it would be phased out.

"For 2011, Porsche is making a new, mid-level 911 ..., the car gets a wider body and track - the only Carrera with a wide track that is also rear wheel drive."

foxj0001

In 2007 I test drove the following: 997.1 C2, great car. 997.2 C2S, noticeably faster and more under the foot, especially in Sport mode. 997.2 C4, great car, not as much fun as the C2 or the C2S. 997.1 C4S, similar, more power apparent than either C2 or C4 - but please note that the FWD apparatus adds about #330 or so to the front end of any "4". Take your weight on or off where you want to.
Also drove a 996tt and a 997.1tt before buying the 997.1 C2S. Best combination of driving performance balanced across all aspects for my style of driving. Would have loved the tt but was a bit out of my price range at the time.
(Have since acquired a 993tt to satisfy that particular urge...)
in 2011 the dealer persuaded me to trade in my near-50k mileage 997.1 C2S on a 2012 997.2 C2GTS. Love the car, have grown increasingly fond of the PDK (despite all of my other prior or present cars save a 2002 Audi A6 2.7T were/are manuals...).
I now have 21k miles on the 2012 C2GTS. Unless you feel a real need for AWD I recommend RWD, and even for die-hard 3-pedal fans I say try the PDK, give it a chance to show you what it can do. Otherwise I steer clear of the endless "manual vs PDK" debates!
So my advice to the prospective first-time 911 buyer is drive as many of the different iterations as you can, after choosing an era and style that you love at first sight and is in your personal budget range. Then PPI it, make your best deal, and drive it as much as you can.
Jonathan