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Old Aug 25, 2012 | 11:12 PM
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Sounds like you put the Pinnacle on to thickly. You must put it on very thin and then wipe off. Do not let it dry.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 12:13 AM
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For anyone who is still undecided, the Flex is so much better than the Griot's (I have not used the PC or DW) that the price difference is inconsequential. That is, they are essentially different types of tools. The Griot's really just rotates with a slight orbital function. The rotation will stop very easily with modest pressure. The Flex has an electronic speed control that maintains rotation and orbit speed regardless of pressure. I use mine with Lake Country pads and it is just night and day in speed and ease.
Now my question. What do you recommend (polish, sealant and wax) for a white car?
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 01:00 AM
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Hope I'm not deviating from the OP main topic here, but I find Meguiar's products working for me the most part.

Do the experts here have any suggestions on an easy cure for water spots? I was washing my car hastingly in the sun as I was under some time constraints that day and then my chatty neighbor came along so I didnt get to dry the car in time..long story short I have quite a few water spots left that didnt come off with the wax job..any quick - easy remedies from the expert P-owners here?

As always, many thanks fellas!
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 01:11 AM
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Meguiars makes a clay bar kit that will handle those minerals from the water. Put you hand inside a plastice sandwich bag and feel the car before and after the clay. The plastic ziplock bag is a trick that will help you feel all the dirt and contaminants that are on your paint surface. You'll be amazed by the difference before and after.

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Hope I'm not deviating from the OP main topic here, but I find Meguiar's products working for me the most part.

Do the experts here have any suggestions on an easy cure for water spots? I was washing my car hastingly in the sun as I was under some time constraints that day and then my chatty neighbor came along so I didnt get to dry the car in time..long story short I have quite a few water spots left that didnt come off with the wax job..any quick - easy remedies from the expert P-owners here?

As always, many thanks fellas!
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by vg247
Hope I'm not deviating from the OP main topic here, but I find Meguiar's products working for me the most part.

Do the experts here have any suggestions on an easy cure for water spots? I was washing my car hastingly in the sun as I was under some time constraints that day and then my chatty neighbor came along so I didnt get to dry the car in time..long story short I have quite a few water spots left that didnt come off with the wax job..any quick - easy remedies from the expert P-owners here?

As always, many thanks fellas!
You may be able to get away with a simple vinegar/water solution (50/50) to dissolve the minerals.
To answer definitively, you must first determine the type of water spot it is. I think there are 3 types. Essentially, the difference is how deeply etched they are, and corrective action depends on the type.
Go to autogeek and they have a great write up on water spots and how to remove them.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 04:16 AM
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Thanks gents, going to do some research as you both suggested..hopefully this is just some mild work
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 06:24 AM
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I would try the vinegar and water mix as suggested. I once parked in a parking spot near a lawn and the sprinklers went off while I was away and I got hard water spots all over the front of my car. Nothing got them off until I tried the vinegar and water mixture.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Verde
For anyone who is still undecided, the Flex is so much better than the Griot's (I have not used the PC or DW) that the price difference is inconsequential. That is, they are essentially different types of tools. The Griot's really just rotates with a slight orbital function. The rotation will stop very easily with modest pressure. The Flex has an electronic speed control that maintains rotation and orbit speed regardless of pressure. I use mine with Lake Country pads and it is just night and day in speed and ease.
Now my question. What do you recommend (polish, sealant and wax) for a white car?
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I'm not sure about polish, but I only use chemical guys products. jetseal for sealant and 5050 wax then use v07 spray detailer. A professional detailer who had a tent at cars and coffee came up to me and asked what I used on my car.

I guess I'm going to get the flex soon. Theres a section on the rear hips that I can see some scratches on from what looks like it was washed improperly that I can't get out with hand polishing. It's really hard to see unless you look at it from an angle and only if you know where to look, but its bugging me. After I bought the gts I bought so much new car care products and trashed all of the junk I used to use (griots).

The only other brand I would consider testing is dodo juice. They have waxes specifically for different colored cars. It's not cheap so I'll wait til my can of 5050 runs out.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 09:10 AM
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I changed cars to a 993 which has no marks and was delivered very shiny.
Decided not to do anything serious yet but when I bought Souveran, I also bought the Pinnacle Crystal Detail spray. I have used about 10 different kinds before, this stuff is GREAT!
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Verde
For anyone who is still undecided, the Flex is so much better than the Griot's (I have not used the PC or DW) that the price difference is inconsequential. That is, they are essentially different types of tools. The Griot's really just rotates with a slight orbital function. The rotation will stop very easily with modest pressure. The Flex has an electronic speed control that maintains rotation and orbit speed regardless of pressure. I use mine with Lake Country pads and it is just night and day in speed and ease.
Now my question. What do you recommend (polish, sealant and wax) for a white car?
V
I think it really depends upon how frequently you're polishing and how much work you need to perform. The Griots DA (especially the one introduced within the last 2 years) is a very solid polisher and very capable of handling even the most difficult paint correction. Yeah it may take more time but in the hands of an inexperienced user I think it is probably the safer machine.

For those that have polished in the past, don't mind spending the extra and are frequently polishing cars the Flex is a great option.

As far as products for polishing, I really like Meguiars Dual Action Cleaner Polish (#84) and their newer products 105 and 205. Griots has an excellent orange polishing pad which is easy to use and durable. I like Detailers Domains Blue Finishing Pads for the second step polishing. Sorry for the slight OT.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hakaida702
I would try the vinegar and water mix as suggested. I once parked in a parking spot near a lawn and the sprinklers went off while I was away and I got hard water spots all over the front of my car. Nothing got them off until I tried the vinegar and water mixture.
Thanks as always Hakaida..will give this a try first thing
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 02:28 PM
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I'm a big Souveran fan. David Bynon got me hooked on it years ago. It does smell great but I agree that it isn't really a factor in choosing a wax. What I love most are how easily it comes off (it cuts the job time in half compared to Zymol Carbon, Griots Best in Show and other similar waxes) and, most importantly, the results.

From my experience, Souveran is best noticed on dark colors. My only criticism is that it doesn't really last that long if your car winds up seeing a lot of inclement weather. It can also be layered and it does look deeper after you've applied a couple of coats (assuming you have the time). Souveran paste also doesn't seem to stain or leave behind any real tells if you accidentally get it on plastic trim.

Just curious, are you using Souveran liquid or paste? I've read that the two are different. I've only tried the paste so I can't speak to results with the liquid.

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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 03:01 PM
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I tried the paste. I'd agree that it comes off better than Zymol.
In my hood test Mothers was the easiest to remove. I will test again as has been suggested against a naked surface the next time I go that far.
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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 03:18 PM
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That's good to know about the Mothers. I'll keep it mind the next time I'm out buying detail products.

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Old Aug 26, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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I really love chemical guys products. I have no affiliation with them, but I love every single product of theirs. I'm surprised more people here don't use their stuff.
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