zanwar

For every current 997 owner that passes on the 991, they are going to pick up two Porsche newbies. The 991 is going to sell way more units than the 997. If you don't like the new car, stick with your bouncy, jiggly 997. It's not like it stopped working as soon as the 991 came out. I imagine the sticks in the mud on this forum are the minority, and there are more car enthusiasts out there who like to try new things.

Mike in CA

You could ask the same question in reverse. Why do positive impressions of the 991 bother some people so much that every time they hear one they feel compelled to respond?

sandwedge

Because they remember how effective all the bitching about the 996 was? Good things followed. Hardly anybody complained about the 993 and 997 and look what happened to the successor of each of those. Bitching seems to work with this car maker while silent acceptance clearly doesn't

boolala

The harder they try to convince themselves (and us) that the 991 is not a worthy sucessor the more foolish and pathetic they look.

jcnesq

I have only seen (at Rennsport Reunion) the 991, haven't driven it.

I have owned 964, 993, 996, 997S, and now 997.1 Turbo (and I have a 356). I remember when 996 came out and owned one much later (for 5 months after purchase new til I traded it on 997 launch day) but was never enamored with it. 997 went back to some of the roots I loved.

Again, I haven't driven 991, but when I look at my history and what's out there now, FOR ME (each for his own), I'd probably be happiest with a 997.1 GT3 RS (with back seats for my kids, thanks). I have no doubt that the 991 is an awesome car, but for my tastes I'd lean more towards raw than soft (whatever the actual performance).

These are honest debates and not Porsche bashing, everyone has his/her own tastes and preferences. My 356 is a kick in the *** - sometimes - but I would never compare it to any 911. My TT is a beast - but - sometimes I think it is a bit too soft.

Ultimately, I still want a 917 for my daily driver, if that tells you where I'm coming from!

seapar

At PSDS today, tomorrow. Should be a mix of cars including 997,991,caymans , cayenne ( for off road). Have a 997.2 but haven't driven a 991. Will be interesting on the Barber track. Weather will be great mid 70s.

Riz

I can only speak for myself. I had a 2005 Carrera, traded it in on a 4.0 RS. I drove the 991 extensively on two occasions. I decided to buy a leftover 997.2 Carrera S. The general feel was not right for me in the 991 yet. Getting a great deal also helped in choosing a 997. I will keep the 997. I can always get the 991.2 when they put back the hydraulic steering, the real handbrake, and some more feel.

Quadcammer

No I own a pontiac...but what does that matter.


Heres what annoys me:

I think people can feel free to like or dislike the 991. They can take issue with the extra luxury (albeit a little hypocritical coming from a 997), the undeniably nicer interior, the sound piper inner thing (which i think is great). Where things go south:

The 991 is not a real 911
The 991 is now a GT car
Porsche has lost their way with the 991
All these 991 features are needless on a sports car.

Hey fellas, you don't drive longhoods. You drive a 997, which, newsflash, ain't a pure sports car either...its a GT car just like the 991. If the 991 is not a real 911, neither is a 997, a 996, a 993, or a 964. Power steering??? For wimps. No real 911 has powersteering.

This is what you sound like.

It reeks of..."oh ****, something new came out that is likely better in every respect...let me think of something that will make me feel better....oh yeah, its not a real sports car, it doesn't have any soul, its for posers, etc...my car is the last one for true enthusiasts because I'm a true enthusiasts and I know a race car (like mine) when I drive one"


I don't think anyone would take issue if someone said, "i prefer my 997".

mdrums

There are plenty of really old cars around if you want that old car feeling.

Palmbeacher

You've hit on the definitive explanation for the 991. It seems so obvious, I don't know how I missed it. Porsche has clearly engineered the 991 for people who find it takes far too much of their attention to handle a 997 above 35mph on a straight, smooth motorway like the German Autobahn.

Palmbeacher

You must be new to the internet

Palmbeacher

Then again if Porsche has good luck with the 991.1, they might make the 991.2 so you can drive it whilst asleep in the passenger seat

Mike in CA

From your description it's obvious you have no idea what the Autobahn driving experience is like, nor have you ever driven a 911 at anywhere near it's top speed. You really should stick to what you know otherwise it just makes you sound foolish.

ljpviper

Wow, I am surprised at all the responces my post brought up. I have a feeling most of the people that stay steering is no big deal, openess either never owned aircooled 911's/997s and the 991 is their first Porsche.

I am loyal to the 911 having endured crappy AC here in florida in the 90's having 3 different 911's. I always felt it was worth it, to get that go cart feel ,like few other cars had.

My current car, the 997's, captures what i feel is the old car feel but with great AC, perfect steering, not to big of a car, etc, as posted in my original post

My complaint is valid about the 991, why mess with the steering of a 911 if thats what its known for, this was a big NO NO IMO.

I never heard one complaint of the 997 steering, so why mess with a good thing, and dont come with that gas savings BS.

Look at the guys at Dodge, they put out 2013 Viper with 400 lbs less weight has the minimal driving aids and went back to the Gen 2 styling, i commend them on that effort. They listened to the Viper Communitiy and got the car they wanted. I know Vipers are alot smaller market so i am just generalizing todays sports cars being built.

I just dont get Porsche on this one, sorry. Just because we have technology to do someting new, does not always make it better.

Palmbeacher

Speaking of sounding foolish...I happen to have been born in Koln, educated in Berlin, and lived in Munich until I was thirty-six, so I think safe to say I have a much better idea what "the Autobahn driving experience is like" than you. My brother, who still lives outside Munich has owned one or another 911 since the 1970s, and every summer when I visit him on holiday we have driven said 911 together on the Autobahn from Bavaria to our sister's home near Koln, and back again. Until recently when the authorities have cracked down somewhat on speed limit enforcement (it started with some nonsense about destruction of the Black Forest caused by car emissions) I always drove at or near the top speed (if not, my brother would make me stop and let him drive). That I did not wish to own a Porsche in Florida, USA, until the 997, does not mean I never drove one. Here again is your feeble, transparent attempt to discredit by false inference. If you are not a politician, you missed your calling