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Old 10-03-2011, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by kosmo
thats what i thot too after watching all of P's ads.
Uhhh... The P's ads I've seen show driving kids in the snow, picking up fertilizer, an executive sitting in it listeng to the engine, and a mom in a a yellow TT picking kids up from school. Not exactly spirited driving. Maybe their mandate HAS changed...

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Old 10-03-2011, 12:08 PM
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i see,so it is an 2005 car, so it had older bearing. too bad, sorry about your loss.
i did 13 DE events this season, car has about of 24 DEs total and 2.5 full seasons of auto-x events(40 or so days, 6-8 runs per day) which may be even worse than DEs for a motor. so far it is alive.
As of IMS death, it is unlikely to be temperature related, it is vibrations and bad lubrication what kills it as i understand. temperature and stress kills cam chain, temperature and cooling issues kill 6th cylinder, as of other stuff it is due to how fate will decide.

>So if you send back an M96 engine, you get an M96 engine
that is what i say we should petition against as it is a total BS. they have new problem free 9a1 motor, it fits any 997.1 car just fine mechanically and all it takes is Porsche free will to allow this to happen.
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
i see,so it is an 2005 car, so it had older bearing. too bad, sorry about your loss.
i did 13 DE events this season, car has about of 24 DEs total and 2.5 full seasons of auto-x events(40 or so days, 6-8 runs per day) which may be even worse than DEs for a motor. so far it is alive.
As of IMS death, it is unlikely to be temperature related, it is vibrations and bad lubrication what kills it as i understand. temperature and stress kills cam chain, temperature and cooling issues kill 6th cylinder, as of other stuff it is due to how fate will decide.

>So if you send back an M96 engine, you get an M96 engine
that is what i say we should petition against as it is a total BS. they have new problem free 9a1 motor, it fits any 997.1 car just fine mechanically and all it takes is Porsche free will to allow this to happen.
I applaud your passion re this issue and hope something positive happens. Does anyone know for a fact that the 91A engine is a direct fit in the 997.1?
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:23 PM
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It's "officially" a 2006 model...a 997S. But the door panel shows 09/05 manufacture date. Does anyone know when the first 2006 models came out of the factory? This must have been one of the first.

Oh, and forget about "driving a $100,000 car." I bought it two-years-old for $68,000, and it's now worth south of $40,000...even WITH a brand new engine.
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Old 10-03-2011, 12:52 PM
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MikeJim, at the risk of hijacking this thread, what's the event at Daytona this weekend? (10/7-10/9?) Club/DE? Can anyone come to watch?
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MikeJim, at the risk of hijacking this thread, what's the event at Daytona this weekend? (10/7-10/9?) Club/DE? Can anyone come to watch?
Daytona is a PCA national points race and a DE. Yes you can come watch walk the pits and so forth. Lots of eye candy should be there.
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Originally Posted by MikeJim
It's "officially" a 2006 model...a 997S. But the door panel shows 09/05 manufacture date. Does anyone know when the first 2006 models came out of the factory? This must have been one of the first.

Oh, and forget about "driving a $100,000 car." I bought it two-years-old for $68,000, and it's now worth south of $40,000...even WITH a brand new engine.
Early or Mid 2006 models I have heard there was a change in the IMS bearings.
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i find it hard to believe that you are going to get a motor without the upgrades, why would porsche sell you a motor with the same problem?
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In the OP's case, Porsche will supply a new M97 motor with all the latest upgrades including the latest IMS bearing and shaft along with the latest RMS.
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The problem is, the latest IMS bearing will still fail - it's junk.
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Originally Posted by KNS
The problem is, the latest IMS bearing will still fail - it's junk.
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Originally Posted by kosmo
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why? if IMS is there - it may fail. 9A1 motor has no IMS, so IMS there cannot fail. it`s a very simple logic indeed.
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Originally Posted by KNS
The problem is, the latest IMS bearing will still fail - it's junk.
Really? How do you know that?
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Originally Posted by utkinpol
So if you send back an M96 engine, you get an M96 engine that is what i say we should petition against as it is a total BS. they have new problem free 9a1 motor, it fits any 997.1 car just fine mechanically and all it takes is Porsche free will to allow this to happen.
Don't waste your time - it will never, ever happen. The 9A1 is a completely different motor. No possible way it is plug-and-play with a 997.1. Should they throw in a PDK transmission as well?

Besides, you can bet that there would be EPA and probably DOT issues with warranty replacement with a completely different lump from a vehicle four years newer.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
No possible way it is plug-and-play with a 997.1.
it is not only possible, it was already done and more than once. not as 'plug-and-play', but it is possible. and adjustnent of ECU signal bus is not that big of a deal for a big company to make it 'plug and play'. toyota went via much more expensive process to deal just with gas pedals.
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