Getting a good discount on 911 PDk targa without Sport Chrono
05-11-2009, 02:04 PM
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I personally would not get PDK without SC. Forget about LC, that's a rarely used fun novelty item. The SC is all about the sport and sport plus mode. As others have said, even in manual mode, the shifts are much quicker in the sport modes. Driving the car in auto mode on the Sport setting is actually fun. In auto mode on the standard setting it is dull as hell, it's all about fuel economy in that mode.
Discounts are available for all of these cars. You can get a discount on a PDK with SC as well. I think you will get hurt really bad in the used market on a PDK without SC.
Discounts are available for all of these cars. You can get a discount on a PDK with SC as well. I think you will get hurt really bad in the used market on a PDK without SC.
05-11-2009, 02:08 PM
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I personally would not get PDK without SC. Forget about LC, that's a rarely used fun novelty item. The SC is all about the sport and sport plus mode. As others have said, even in manual mode, the shifts are much quicker in the sport modes. Driving the car in auto mode on the Sport setting is actually fun. In auto mode on the standard setting it is dull as hell, it's all about fuel economy in that mode.
Discounts are available for all of these cars. You can get a discount on a PDK with SC as well. I think you will get hurt really bad in the used market on a PDK without SC.
Discounts are available for all of these cars. You can get a discount on a PDK with SC as well. I think you will get hurt really bad in the used market on a PDK without SC.
05-11-2009, 02:35 PM
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Don't be misled by what you read on this forum. There is an incredible amount of conceit hidden in even the most benign appearing posts and recommendations.
Typical advise is 1) go for the S instead of the base model 2) the S has a higher residual value 3) never get a tip no matter what unless you only have one leg and one arm (one person here has to continually apologize for driving a tip (now PDK) by explaining that he has only one leg) please give me a break. 4) get a clear bra for your car 5) Even the friggen' color of your side markers is an issue of contention--it should be clear and not orange.
Oh and there's more, much more....
Typical advise is 1) go for the S instead of the base model 2) the S has a higher residual value 3) never get a tip no matter what unless you only have one leg and one arm (one person here has to continually apologize for driving a tip (now PDK) by explaining that he has only one leg) please give me a break. 4) get a clear bra for your car 5) Even the friggen' color of your side markers is an issue of contention--it should be clear and not orange.
Oh and there's more, much more....
05-11-2009, 03:00 PM
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The T4S is actually 55 pounds lighter than a C4S cab, so isn't the heaviest 911. And it is only 77 pounds heavier than a C2S cab. They each have a published 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds on the Porsche website, so the Targa4S isn't the slowest 911, and demonstrates that these weight differences have negligible effect on performance. In fact, the "slowest" models are the C4 and C4 cab at 4.8 and 5.0 secs respectively, obviously due to the lower power output.
05-11-2009, 03:28 PM
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If you plan on keeping a car LONGER- why not explore it's limits and grow with the car. SC on a PDK equipped car is like your wife learning a new sexual technique.
Still the same wifey, but with a 'Hey now! That's different! Yay me!' effect.
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05-11-2009, 04:05 PM
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1) If you're only going to keep the car a few years, I'd say PDK w/o SC isn't a bad idea if it has it or not.
If you plan on keeping a car LONGER- why not explore it's limits and grow with the car. SC on a PDK equipped car is like your wife learning a new Blow Job technique.
Still the same wifey, but with a 'Hey now! That's different! Yay me!' effect.
If you plan on keeping a car LONGER- why not explore it's limits and grow with the car. SC on a PDK equipped car is like your wife learning a new Blow Job technique.
Still the same wifey, but with a 'Hey now! That's different! Yay me!' effect.
05-11-2009, 04:07 PM
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05-11-2009, 04:45 PM
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The T4S is actually 55 pounds lighter than a C4S cab, so isn't the heaviest 911. And it is only 77 pounds heavier than a C2S cab. They each have a published 0-60 time of 4.7 seconds on the Porsche website, so the Targa4S isn't the slowest 911, and demonstrates that these weight differences have negligible effect on performance. In fact, the "slowest" models are the C4 and C4 cab at 4.8 and 5.0 secs respectively, obviously due to the lower power output.
The Targa is a wonderful car and whoever owns one chose it for its functionality and of course understands the tradeoff.
05-11-2009, 05:06 PM
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Launch Control is a cute but useless feature. If you don't intend to run the car on the track, SC+ is of marginal benefit. If you are happy with the way it drives in auto and manual modes, don't hesitate. Plain Jane PDK is so much better than Tiptronic that there can be no comparing the two.
The one advantage of not having SC is that you avoid the wart on the dash which in addition to being ugly is essentially useless.
That being said my DD 4S has SC - but I am a track junky and I'll use it in preference to my RS when it rains - which last season was a LOT. That explains SC + Sport PASM etc.
Best,
The one advantage of not having SC is that you avoid the wart on the dash which in addition to being ugly is essentially useless.
That being said my DD 4S has SC - but I am a track junky and I'll use it in preference to my RS when it rains - which last season was a LOT. That explains SC + Sport PASM etc.
Best,
05-11-2009, 05:52 PM
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Mass (within reason) is not a concern for straight-line acceleration. Mass matters on twisty roads as it pulls the car sideways (and not in a good way). Mass also matters if added up top like in a Targa.
The Targa is a wonderful car and whoever owns one chose it for its functionality and of course understands the tradeoff.
The Targa is a wonderful car and whoever owns one chose it for its functionality and of course understands the tradeoff.
Are you seriously arguing that mass has little to do with straightline acceleration?
Maybe above 100mph your point is reasonable, but from a dead stop, you bet your *** it makes a difference. Assuming equal traction, gearing, and engine performance, the lighter car is always faster.
05-11-2009, 07:10 PM
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I am getting a PDK car and really don't mind if it doesn't have SC. I had SC on my 997.1 and I really did not ever use it. I am not going to track my car, so, for me, it doesn't make much of a difference. Now, no XM and I will not be happy! So, to each his own. I would think someone who is a serious track driver would probably, not all the time, drive a 6 speed anyway. I know the PDK and SC are awesome on the track, but I am sure many are using 6 speeds!