New carbon fiber airbox release!!!!!! and group buy!
12-20-2008, 01:39 AM
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+1...make sure you use a Dynojet with a built in weather station...prove it...so the weather data entry can't be fudged to make 1 product look better than the other.
12-22-2008, 11:12 AM
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Carbonio has not in the passed and most likely will never in the future test any intakes on a dyno as they believe (and I agree) that it's not the best way to test an intake, especially on a Porsche.
12-22-2008, 11:16 AM
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- Over extended driving, the air inlet temp of the X51 was consistently much higher than that of the Carbonio unit. The X51 holds a lot of heat and transfers it to the inlet air while the carbon unit does not. While part of the problem resides in the material and shape of the X51, the filter placement is optimized for reduced engine noise rather than full performance.
- The dual inlets of the X51 do not flow more air than the single one on the Carbonio unit. This is because Carbonio took advantage of inlet space that the X51 could not because of its filter placement. The plenum volume on the Carbonio is considerably larger than the X51 resulting in more cool exterior air being accessed by the inlet filter than in the X51.
- The X51 intake requires the cutting of the engine cover which takes away from the re-sale value of the car. The Carbonio unit installs in minutes and can be removed returning the car to totally OEM without any modification. The cars value is not affected, it is not damaged potentially causing problems with leasing companies, and the Carbonio unit can be sold to recover a good part of its initial cost; all things not possible with the X51.
Where was the air inlet temperature measured?
Where on the X51 airbox was its temperature recorded and where on your unit was it measured? Is that an apple to apple comparison or spots chosen for a particular reason?
How do you measure air flow quantity? Where are your sensors placed?
- The dual inlets of the X51 do not flow more air than the single one on the Carbonio unit. This is because Carbonio took advantage of inlet space that the X51 could not because of its filter placement. The plenum volume on the Carbonio is considerably larger than the X51 resulting in more cool exterior air being accessed by the inlet filter than in the X51.
- The X51 intake requires the cutting of the engine cover which takes away from the re-sale value of the car. The Carbonio unit installs in minutes and can be removed returning the car to totally OEM without any modification. The cars value is not affected, it is not damaged potentially causing problems with leasing companies, and the Carbonio unit can be sold to recover a good part of its initial cost; all things not possible with the X51.
Where was the air inlet temperature measured?
Where on the X51 airbox was its temperature recorded and where on your unit was it measured? Is that an apple to apple comparison or spots chosen for a particular reason?
How do you measure air flow quantity? Where are your sensors placed?
I have passed this question along to Carbonio, I will let you know when I hear back from them as I do not know at this time. The question has never been asked yet.
12-22-2008, 05:21 PM
#65
Porsches are magical and the normal laws of physics do not apply.
12-22-2008, 05:50 PM
#66
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I'm smelling a big, fat donut of a sale on these products....better to get one of those kazoos and make some loud noise through your open window..at least then you'll have the sensation of moving quicker...haha
12-22-2008, 08:09 PM
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I do understand that the ram air effect of a car going 100mph might show some more HP than one on the dyno...however the price for this product is outrageous.
12-23-2008, 12:24 AM
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I went over to the sixspeed online posting for this item and the reaction over there is very similar to this on Rennlist.
I'm sure it's a very high quality product in its construction but I would tend to lean toward that inferior piece of space age material (i.e., plastic) known as the X51 airbox. I think that one looks like it belongs.
I'm sure it's a very high quality product in its construction but I would tend to lean toward that inferior piece of space age material (i.e., plastic) known as the X51 airbox. I think that one looks like it belongs.
12-29-2008, 12:47 PM
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[QUOTE=Sadiq;6114206]Then do it yourself? In the end, YOU'RE the one selling them, aren't you?
We could, but we don't have a 997 here to test it on
I'm willing to work out a special deal for anyone who would like to purchase one to keep at a special price to test it out for us and post up your opinions. I have someone interested on 6speed that's interested at the moment but nothing finalized yet. Will keep ya'll posted.
We could, but we don't have a 997 here to test it on
I'm willing to work out a special deal for anyone who would like to purchase one to keep at a special price to test it out for us and post up your opinions. I have someone interested on 6speed that's interested at the moment but nothing finalized yet. Will keep ya'll posted.
12-29-2008, 02:00 PM
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By GMP? No we haven't tested it. This product was designed and branded by Carbonio, so they did all the testing for it. This may come across as GMP simply taking Carbonio's word for it but we have a long standing relationship with Carbonio and our clients have always been pleased with their products.
01-12-2009, 05:38 PM
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Hey guys I just wanted to let you know that somone has accepted our offer to be the first forum member to try out this intake. The Intake will be shipping out next week as the customer is out of town this week. He has gladly accepted to post up his honest opinion about the product and is more than welcome to put it on a dyno or take it to the track. He currently has the IPD Plenum upgrade, I'm not sure if he has an ECU upgrade or aftermarket exhaust system yet. These details will be posted when he posts his review.
