Pictures of rear shot of 997 and 997 wide-body?
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When I got my 996, the sales lady said that only the power seats can make the seats go low or lower. Can manual seats on 996 be lowered? Wonder if she lied.
Let me ask you 997 owners a question I was dying to ask. I am absolutely thrilled that there are so many Porsche enthusiasts out there to ask questions. But why aren't you guys out there enjoying your 997? I have a feeling most of the guys in here are married and don't go out much
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Manual seats go lower because they don't have electric motors underneath them. It's a packaging issue.
I'm married and I'm on a plane every week so being home is something I enjoy. when I'm home I drive my car. Today however, we're recovering from snow and not going to visit family in Michigan, so I decided to cook my wife Cassoulet instead and offer up a wonderful bottle of '98 Corbieres as "thank you" for being tolerant of my schedule.
I'm married and I'm on a plane every week so being home is something I enjoy. when I'm home I drive my car. Today however, we're recovering from snow and not going to visit family in Michigan, so I decided to cook my wife Cassoulet instead and offer up a wonderful bottle of '98 Corbieres as "thank you" for being tolerant of my schedule.
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As a long time Porsche owner/driver I absolutely can't see the reason for a 4. Porsche has tamed the "911" so well that 4WD is totally unnecessary. If you order the Carrera Sport wheels you will get the widest rear wheels/tires available on any 997, short of the GT3 and GT3RS. (They're even wider than those on the 997TT). (That's why I went with the XRR rims).
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Quite honestly the real fun begins when your rear tires are narrower. Slightly less grip at the rear with a C2S makes the car slide a little more and that's when you "get it" and why a 911 is such an iconic sports car. I really don't think that you get even remotely close to appreciating that when you drive a C4/S. I didn't "get it" until I traded my 996 C4S for a 997 C2S and saw the light on a streaming wet road in Wisconsin.
Now if only I could find a 911 2.7RS...
Now if only I could find a 911 2.7RS...
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Let me ask you 997 owners a question I was dying to ask. I am absolutely thrilled that there are so many Porsche enthusiasts out there to ask questions. But why aren't you guys out there enjoying your 997? I have a feeling most of the guys in here are married and don't go out much
... I absolutely can't see the reason for a 4. Porsche has tamed the "911" so well that 4WD is totally unnecessary. If you order the Carrera Sport wheels you will get the widest rear wheels/tires available on any 997, short of the GT3 and GT3RS. (They're even wider than those on the 997TT).
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You probably wouldn't be the first guy to pay $8k for an inch and a half. If it means that much to you, go for it, but it does indeed sound like you are already hell bent on the wide body. Me personally, I opted for the lighter, slightly faster, and already drop dead hot C2S with a larger boot for considerably less $.
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As a long time Porsche owner/driver I absolutely can't see the reason for a 4. Porsche has tamed the "911" so well that 4WD is totally unnecessary. If you order the Carrera Sport wheels you will get the widest rear wheels/tires available on any 997, short of the GT3 and GT3RS. (They're even wider than those on the 997TT). (That's why I went with the XRR rims).
The Carrera 4 drive system is more about straight line traction on not only dry roads but also wet & winter roads as well as traction exiting turns. These things have to be beneficial otherwise it wouldn't put up similar numbers to the C2S on a wide variety of tracks.
A lot of people on these boards tout the everyday driveability of the 997, and AWD does make a better DD. I don't see how the benefits of a C2S over a C4S can be realized any where else then a track. So if your purpose of buying a 997 is to obtain the best DD on the planet then why not the AWD?
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You probably wouldn't be the first guy to pay $8k for an inch and a half. If it means that much to you, go for it, but it does indeed sound like you are already hell bent on the wide body. Me personally, I opted for the lighter, slightly faster, and already drop dead hot C2S with a larger boot for considerably less $.
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How is a little extra weight in the front of a 997 a bad thing?
The Carrera 4 drive system is more about straight line traction on not only dry roads but also wet & winter roads as well as traction exiting turns. These things have to be beneficial otherwise it wouldn't put up similar numbers to the C2S on a wide variety of tracks.
A lot of people on these boards tout the everyday driveability of the 997, and AWD does make a better DD. I don't see how the benefits of a C2S over a C4S can be realized any where else then a track. So if your purpose of buying a 997 is to obtain the best DD on the planet then why not the AWD?
The Carrera 4 drive system is more about straight line traction on not only dry roads but also wet & winter roads as well as traction exiting turns. These things have to be beneficial otherwise it wouldn't put up similar numbers to the C2S on a wide variety of tracks.
A lot of people on these boards tout the everyday driveability of the 997, and AWD does make a better DD. I don't see how the benefits of a C2S over a C4S can be realized any where else then a track. So if your purpose of buying a 997 is to obtain the best DD on the planet then why not the AWD?
Provided the driver manages weight transfer properly (or at least doesn't do anything stupid) and has either braked to shift weight to the front wheels or is travelling at a constant speed AWD will pull the car around a corner. With some practice, weight transfer can be managed and it is astounding how capable these cars really are. It is enlightening.
If you are truly an enthusiast then learning to have fun by prompting and controlling the rear end slipping a bit is very enjoyable. This can be done during low speed driving. Controlling the weight transfer is the key.
I can see buying the 4S if you are driving in snow because getting going is the hard part. But, with all the weight over the drive wheels, and weight being transferred rearward under acceleration, provided the car has good winter tires, a C2S will be very competent. The key is the tires. A C4S driven on PS2s in the snow will not be as good as a C2S with proper snow tires. At that point, provided you have the space I'd get a CRV or somethign for the winter and drive a RWD Carrera S any day given the choice.
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Holy Crap - I come back from Overseas - and look forwarding to logging onto Rennlist only to see this post?
Wow - whose hips are better - JayLo's before or after kids...
Come the "F" on...
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Wow - whose hips are better - JayLo's before or after kids...
Come the "F" on...
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As others have already chimed in, you seemed well convinced on the C4S based on looks alone, so the pics would mostly be a trivial exercise. By your own admission, you don't really care for the AWD as much as its rear-end look, so it's your $8K, spend it if you want the extra 1.73".
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Quite honestly the real fun begins when your rear tires are narrower. Slightly less grip at the rear with a C2S makes the car slide a little more and that's when you "get it" and why a 911 is such an iconic sports car. I really don't think that you get even remotely close to appreciating that when you drive a C4/S. I didn't "get it" until I traded my 996 C4S for a 997 C2S and saw the light on a streaming wet road in Wisconsin.
Now if only I could find a 911 2.7RS...
Now if only I could find a 911 2.7RS...
I've often made the C2 over C2S argument based on this reasoning.
We've gotten to the point that a base Corvette has 430+ hp, costs half of a C2S and will probably out perform it in most if not all subjective ways, but don't we all still want our P-car?
Back to the AWD vs RWD argument -we can all probably agree that generally the AWD improves performance (see Nissan GT-R), but I think it detracts from driving pleasure or at least excitement. Some of the joy of driving is being a bit scared by the car.
Just my 2 cents.