HOW DARE YOU QUOTE REAL WORLD NUMBERS IN HERE!!! 1999 will be along any moment to tell you how that has nothing to do with real world performance.

 

In all fairness, he was discussing 997 vs. Z06 - not C6 base. It looks like the M6 lapped it in 8.10, so given the Z06's lighter weight with similar power, I would expect a lap time of 7:55 - 8.05.

 

Are you saying your autocross times are similar for the Z-06 and the STi?

 

Totally disagree, historically Germans are superior engineers in this category. The only reason we landed on the moon before the Russians were, "because our German Scientists were better than their German Scientists". Wernher Von Braun and team ~500 scientists designed the majority of NASAs rockets, Saturn V, Titans, etc... Arguably, the Russian space project fell behind because of a terrible rocket accident in the 1960s where most of their German scientists perished. The western world found out about this post cold-war.

In addition, the only reason we had Nuclear fission before Germany is because of German expats (Albert Einstein, Lisa Meitner, Hans Bethe, Felix Bloch, etc...), who for obvious reasons, wanted to see the US gain this technology before Germany.

Regarding spaceflight, the current shuttle mission has one German astronaut. Space telescopes, specifically the James Webb Space telescope, to replace the Hubble, have their optics manufactured by Zeiss... based in Germany.

Defense and aeronautics suffer today because of the Potsdam Conference, restricting Germanys defense policies. Lastly, the Predator (and other unmanned vehicles), laser guidance systems, etc, are largely developed in Israel, BUT manufactured by American multi-national corporations

I think the Germans are far superior Engineers than Americans.

 

In appreciate you wanting to be objective and that's all I want also. So in that vein, he was discussing ALL 997's (including and specifically mentioning the TT) vs. Z06. I would think the C6 Base vs. the 997S is a pretty similar comparison. Something I thought was really interesting is that the Viper SRT-10 checked in at 8:13. Meaning a GT3, 997TT and a Z06 would no doubtedly be a a fair amount faster.

 

Yes in this regard: I loooove the Germans!

Here's something you guys might enjoy:



Mariner's (sailors) version of Heaven and Hell

HEAVEN:
British are the Police
French are the cooks
Germans are the mechanics
Italians are in charge of romance
Everything is run by the Swiss

HELL:
British are the cooks
French are the mechanics
Germans are the police
Swiss are in charge or Romance
Everything is run by the Italians

 

they just have that engineering smart gene?
only ignorance could make such a statement.

 

Back off. It's perfectly resonable to believe that cultures could produce people who are more predisposed to being engineers or mathematicians or physicists or whatever...

 

I'll bet it hooked up pretty good with 300lbs of stereo equipment sitting on top of the rear axle.

MC

 

Albert Einstein was not German, but Swiss. He also became a citizen of America in the 40's. He just happened to be born in Germany. I visited Germany once. Does that automatically make me a better engineer?

 

back off??? LOL!
you going to beat me up?

that may be possible for periods of time when led by a superior intellect but not through out history.
or it may come through a niche that other cultures don't pay as much attention to, but again this would not make them superior, only specialists.

 

It's not American engineering at fault here, it's American UNIONS. They all but destroyed the industry.

 

Very true! Also, Meitner technically never came to the US.... Just couldnt leave her out...

 

Did not mean to imply American engineers are dumb at all... should of softened my language.

 

I know he was born in Germany, but his grandparents were born and raised in Hungary. My point is, is he German simply because he was born there? Or did his intelligence come from the Hungarian food his grandparants ate?