Will our 997's be valued like the air cooled P cars?
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Will our 997's be valued like the air cooled P cars?
What do you all think?
Do you think it's a generational thing...that in a few years time our 997's will become just as loved as the air cooled cars are today?
Do you think it's a generational thing...that in a few years time our 997's will become just as loved as the air cooled cars are today?
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01-20-2024, 12:52 AM
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Yes, this! Head studs, blown air boxes, expensive valve jobs, leaks requiring reseals, rust! etc. Whatever problems 997s have (or may have) is not different than an old air cooled G body or literally every other collector/enthusiast car out there. We could start a thread naming every older collectable car of value in the market today and list its potential flaws. That would be a looong thread!
"collectability" inherently means some significant level of emotional connection. No one's emotionally connected to IMS, BS or any other...BS (pun intended). If ya want the thing, ya buy the thing. If the thing breaks, ya fix it.
"collectability" inherently means some significant level of emotional connection. No one's emotionally connected to IMS, BS or any other...BS (pun intended). If ya want the thing, ya buy the thing. If the thing breaks, ya fix it.
The key is to avoid buying one that someone has abused / neglected...
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but that’s just my opinion man
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Is it just that the air cooled cars are having their moment, and social media/youtube is blowing that up?
Is there similar passion for watercooled cars like ours?
I don't feel it on the same scale.
Where's the 997 Singer?
So much so that I feel I am being programmed to want a 964 or a longhood.
Is there similar passion for watercooled cars like ours?
I don't feel it on the same scale.
Where's the 997 Singer?
So much so that I feel I am being programmed to want a 964 or a longhood.
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The liquid cars are so far superior in every way I don't see where an air cooler is a better car other that cash value at the moment .
My Panamera GTS blows away the 911 in useability but not in resale ? So only time will tell ?
Cars are not an investment ? Inflation drives the cost to get in bigtime !
My Panamera GTS blows away the 911 in useability but not in resale ? So only time will tell ?
Cars are not an investment ? Inflation drives the cost to get in bigtime !
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Is it just that the air cooled cars are having their moment, and social media/youtube is blowing that up?
Is there similar passion for watercooled cars like ours?
I don't feel it on the same scale.
Where's the 997 Singer?
So much so that I feel I am being programmed to want a 964 or a longhood.
Is there similar passion for watercooled cars like ours?
I don't feel it on the same scale.
Where's the 997 Singer?
So much so that I feel I am being programmed to want a 964 or a longhood.
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Wheel flares, lots of leather, and a massive price tag.
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PCA members can read the current Panorama mag article about the 911 shift from air to H2O cooling (993 to 996).
While hotly debated by critics, internally they had zero debate or trepidation about the radical changes.
I suspect the same thing occurred when the 997 became the 991. (stretched wheelbase, e-steering/parking brake, etc.)
Future 997 valuations might follow the air cooled pattern.
Low mileage, lower production number, GT or special edition models, especially manual 6MT models should appreciate.
Well cared for models of those, with no stories, could break into multiples of the MSRP, like some air-cooled versions have.
Like any speculation, we won't know until it's too late to profit.
So keep your 997 and enjoy it in spite of what the KBB says in 10 years.
Happy motoring.
While hotly debated by critics, internally they had zero debate or trepidation about the radical changes.
I suspect the same thing occurred when the 997 became the 991. (stretched wheelbase, e-steering/parking brake, etc.)
Future 997 valuations might follow the air cooled pattern.
Low mileage, lower production number, GT or special edition models, especially manual 6MT models should appreciate.
Well cared for models of those, with no stories, could break into multiples of the MSRP, like some air-cooled versions have.
Like any speculation, we won't know until it's too late to profit.
So keep your 997 and enjoy it in spite of what the KBB says in 10 years.
Happy motoring.
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Maybe is starting a trend with this company "Indecent". Their first 997 project was ordered by a friend of mine which is well into watercooled Porsches. Here is:
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I hope not. I don’t want something too valuable to insure, drive, and enjoy. But even now, manual 997.2 coupes are very hard to find, S or base, and supply and demand will dictate. As of this writing there are 3 on Autotrader in the whole country.
The air cooled market is still strong for low mileage examples but driver cars are coming back to earth with many not meeting reserve lately.
The air cooled market is still strong for low mileage examples but driver cars are coming back to earth with many not meeting reserve lately.
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If you’ve been around this playground long enough, you'll see that every dog has its day. Every time. Name your generation (and iteration thereof) and we can all tell you why the market turned up its nose at first and then came back around full circle. Aesthetics and mechanics… there’s always a first with xxx or a last with xxx component but I think there’s plenty to love about this gen.
Every generation seems to go through a hate phase (hello 74-77, SC, 964, now even 996!) before something - or some THING - reignites the collector’s eye. Short answer is yes, probably, just like every one that came before it but it all depends on who is willing to write a check in the years to come.
997.2 seems to track close to 964 in the relative low production numbers if that’s any guide. I feel like I’m in a good place with my humble little .2 6 speed coupe now after lots of prior cars from 80s SCs and up. This is my “dead guy car”, wake me up in 20 years when I can’t get in or out of it too well and tell me what it’s worth. I’ll say no thank you.
Every generation seems to go through a hate phase (hello 74-77, SC, 964, now even 996!) before something - or some THING - reignites the collector’s eye. Short answer is yes, probably, just like every one that came before it but it all depends on who is willing to write a check in the years to come.
997.2 seems to track close to 964 in the relative low production numbers if that’s any guide. I feel like I’m in a good place with my humble little .2 6 speed coupe now after lots of prior cars from 80s SCs and up. This is my “dead guy car”, wake me up in 20 years when I can’t get in or out of it too well and tell me what it’s worth. I’ll say no thank you.
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I would dare to say, Yes.
There is something about the 997 platform that was lost with the 991 --> 992 generations. I know its cliche to say, however, its lost that "X" factor.
I liked my 991.2, but was not in love with it. I kept going back to the 997. I knew the 991.2 would be more reliable....but still I craved that unadulterated driving experience.
This was exactly how I felt after buying a new Golf R (2019), there was nothing wrong with the car but something that couldn't be described, was simply missing.
I think the 997.2 due to the low production numbers will do a bit better with valuations but I think the 997.1s will be pulled up by them.
Cars I currently regret selling, Audi RS3, Audi TTS and my 2016 Volvo V60 Polestar. I would feel the exact same (if not stronger) about the 997s.
There is something about the 997 platform that was lost with the 991 --> 992 generations. I know its cliche to say, however, its lost that "X" factor.
I liked my 991.2, but was not in love with it. I kept going back to the 997. I knew the 991.2 would be more reliable....but still I craved that unadulterated driving experience.
This was exactly how I felt after buying a new Golf R (2019), there was nothing wrong with the car but something that couldn't be described, was simply missing.
I think the 997.2 due to the low production numbers will do a bit better with valuations but I think the 997.1s will be pulled up by them.
Cars I currently regret selling, Audi RS3, Audi TTS and my 2016 Volvo V60 Polestar. I would feel the exact same (if not stronger) about the 997s.
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I think to collectors a 997 will have a spot in their collection much like a 993 does now. A certain kind of experience. The newer cars are fantastic. I rented a 991.2 GTS and a 992 C4S in Germany and had a blast. But they are ages different in things like NVH and connection to the road.
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