New Owner - Bore Scoring Prevention vs. Repair
#16
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100% this. I strongly, strongly recommend owning and driving the car for a good while before investing a significant amount of money into it (beyond what's needed to keep it running safely). Honeymoon periods have a habit of ending and sometimes your needs, lifestyle, interests, and even tastes change in general. I've had cars I expected to sell after 1-2 years go on to last many years (one of them, which was very literally intended to be a stop-gap, is still in my possession after 14+ years), and I had other cars I was super excited to get into (including one or two "dream" cars) that lasted less than a year.
All of this helps in preventing money having to be invested from the get-go.
Any services lacking or repairs found lacking/needed after PPI can be used as negotiating tool to grind seller down.
Last edited by groovzilla; 09-09-2023 at 04:45 PM.
#17
Petza's idea of setting some money aside for future potential engine work is a good one. However, don't grind over the bore scoring.
The only sure fire way to avoid it is to not drive it, which is silly. These vehicles are meant to be driven and driven with spirit.
To me it seems like you're in good shape. Drive the car and enjoy it.
Congrats on your purchase.
The only sure fire way to avoid it is to not drive it, which is silly. These vehicles are meant to be driven and driven with spirit.
To me it seems like you're in good shape. Drive the car and enjoy it.
Congrats on your purchase.
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#18
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Originally Posted by groovzilla;[url=tel:19004632
19004632[/url]]Ok no word back from OP.
I'm guessing his purchase was from afar/never saw the car in person and the Indy shop seller had relationship with the Insy shop(big no-no ) that did the supposed Bore Score Inspection from Oil Pan removal NEVER did the inspection at all. Total scam.
Of course this is just a guess, but when you don't hear back from OP who came to the Forum with questions in the middle of a 997 purchase and then disappears something ain't right.
Makes no sense for a shop to go thru all the labor of removing pan, inspectiong cylinders and providing no photo documentation. Also OP wouldn't provide the cost of the Oil Pan Inspection and disappeared.
Also doesn't make sense for a buyer, who's obviously read up on the IMS issues of early build cars and was proactive in replacing the IMS never asked the PPI shop for photos of the Cylinders?? Who knows, at this point I'm guessing the shop probably didn't even replace the IMS Bearing.
I was going to ask the OP if shop provided him with the new IMS Bearing Serial#?? I guess we'll never know.
I'm guessing his purchase was from afar/never saw the car in person and the Indy shop seller had relationship with the Insy shop(big no-no ) that did the supposed Bore Score Inspection from Oil Pan removal NEVER did the inspection at all. Total scam.
Of course this is just a guess, but when you don't hear back from OP who came to the Forum with questions in the middle of a 997 purchase and then disappears something ain't right.
Makes no sense for a shop to go thru all the labor of removing pan, inspectiong cylinders and providing no photo documentation. Also OP wouldn't provide the cost of the Oil Pan Inspection and disappeared.
Also doesn't make sense for a buyer, who's obviously read up on the IMS issues of early build cars and was proactive in replacing the IMS never asked the PPI shop for photos of the Cylinders?? Who knows, at this point I'm guessing the shop probably didn't even replace the IMS Bearing.
I was going to ask the OP if shop provided him with the new IMS Bearing Serial#?? I guess we'll never know.
But, of course that is your call to do so .
OP : hope you enjoy your car, no purchase is perfect and we all learn as life goes on.
#19
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wow. You certainly have a lot of opinions and guesswork for the op , who has already bought the car , spent money on it , and is perhaps wanting some positive feedback??
But, of course that is your call to do so .
OP : hope you enjoy your car, no purchase is perfect and we all learn as life goes on.
But, of course that is your call to do so .
OP : hope you enjoy your car, no purchase is perfect and we all learn as life goes on.
OP didn't indicate whether he had the car shipped home from the Indy shop that did the PPI and supposed IMS Bearing install & Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection.
OP was probably scammed by the PPI shop and if car hadn't been shipped to him I was hoping and goning to suggest he could possibly get some recorse. OP probably paid for IMS Bearing replacement and Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection and my guess is neither were performed.
I asked OP cost of Oil Pan BS Inspection and the New upgraded LN Engineering IMS Bearing Serial# because that would be a clear indication whether or not the shop was a total scam.
OP disappeared with no reply??
My questions and observations are extremely helpful when buying a Porsche and yes it can be a harsh reality when doing a ****-poor job buying these cars. I have years and years (38) of buying and selling my Porsche's and early on, I have failed and I try to help others to prevent similar circumstances.
Hopefully when other newbie's read these Threads they are more inclined to cover their asses and move forward slowly using a seasonsed Porsche Specialty shop that delivers services.
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#20
Three Wheelin'
OP came to this Forum with important questions asking for feedback - I don't Bullsh:t around.
OP didn't indicate whether he had the car shipped home from the Indy shop that did the PPI and supposed IMS Bearing install & Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection.
OP was probably scammed by the PPI shop and if car hadn't been shipped to him I was hoping and goning to suggest he could possibly get some recorse. OP probably paid for IMS Bearing replacement and Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection and my guess is neither were performed.
I asked OP cost of Oil Pan BS Inspection and the New upgraded LN Engineering IMS Bearing Serial# because that would be a clear indication whether or not the shop was a total scam.
OP disappeared with no reply??
My questions and observations are extremely helpful when buying a Porsche and yes it can be a harsh reality when doing a ****-poor job buying these cars. I have years and years (38) of buying and selling my Porsche's and early on, I have failed and I try to help others to prevent similar circumstances.
Hopefully when other newbie's read these Threads they are more inclined to cover their asses and move forward slowly using a seasonsed Porsche Specialty shop that delivers services.
OP didn't indicate whether he had the car shipped home from the Indy shop that did the PPI and supposed IMS Bearing install & Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection.
OP was probably scammed by the PPI shop and if car hadn't been shipped to him I was hoping and goning to suggest he could possibly get some recorse. OP probably paid for IMS Bearing replacement and Oil Pan Bore Scope Inspection and my guess is neither were performed.
I asked OP cost of Oil Pan BS Inspection and the New upgraded LN Engineering IMS Bearing Serial# because that would be a clear indication whether or not the shop was a total scam.
OP disappeared with no reply??
My questions and observations are extremely helpful when buying a Porsche and yes it can be a harsh reality when doing a ****-poor job buying these cars. I have years and years (38) of buying and selling my Porsche's and early on, I have failed and I try to help others to prevent similar circumstances.
Hopefully when other newbie's read these Threads they are more inclined to cover their asses and move forward slowly using a seasonsed Porsche Specialty shop that delivers services.
It's often far easier to lie to people to pump their ego than to tell them the truth.
#21
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I wanted to take a second and sincerely thank all of the responders so far! You guys have been extremely helpful and I cannot emphasize enough how much it is appreciated.
It sounds like the general consensus is that any preemptive work to the cylinders is generally unjustified, and that I would be better off keeping it off my mind until there are actually signs of a problem. It does sound like perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the advance work for this purchase, as many of you have stressed the importance of the quality and thoroughness of the cylinder inspection, as well as the virtue of doing some oil testing/analysis.
In retrospect, perhaps I should adjust my confidence level that the car doesn't have any issues. The mechanic doing the PPI wasn't someone I had worked with before (they were recommended by the seller), as the car was located quite a ways away and I am having it shipped. It wouldn't be a ton of money to have it re-inspected by my mechanic here in my home state, so I will make sure to have it done properly, get oil samples, and have them document their findings thoroughly (with photos). I suppose I now have some anxiety that this is an area I initially checked off my list when I shouldn't have.
It's unfortunate to find out the depths of my ignorance/naivety on some of these subjects, and in hindsight I made some obviously dumb moves while getting the car inspected, but I'm glad that I am becoming more aware of it now rather than coming to grips with it later on. The purchase has already been made, but I can at least move forward with better information on hand. Hopefully I don't come back to this thread reporting any bad news to the contrary of my early assertions.
Again, thank you all for your kindness, patience, and respect. The qualities of the car aside, I think this is the best community of owners around!
It sounds like the general consensus is that any preemptive work to the cylinders is generally unjustified, and that I would be better off keeping it off my mind until there are actually signs of a problem. It does sound like perhaps I should have put more emphasis on the advance work for this purchase, as many of you have stressed the importance of the quality and thoroughness of the cylinder inspection, as well as the virtue of doing some oil testing/analysis.
In retrospect, perhaps I should adjust my confidence level that the car doesn't have any issues. The mechanic doing the PPI wasn't someone I had worked with before (they were recommended by the seller), as the car was located quite a ways away and I am having it shipped. It wouldn't be a ton of money to have it re-inspected by my mechanic here in my home state, so I will make sure to have it done properly, get oil samples, and have them document their findings thoroughly (with photos). I suppose I now have some anxiety that this is an area I initially checked off my list when I shouldn't have.
It's unfortunate to find out the depths of my ignorance/naivety on some of these subjects, and in hindsight I made some obviously dumb moves while getting the car inspected, but I'm glad that I am becoming more aware of it now rather than coming to grips with it later on. The purchase has already been made, but I can at least move forward with better information on hand. Hopefully I don't come back to this thread reporting any bad news to the contrary of my early assertions.
Again, thank you all for your kindness, patience, and respect. The qualities of the car aside, I think this is the best community of owners around!
The OP stated the car has not been shipped.
Soooo it is still at shop where he claims the PPI was performed, Bore Scope Inspection performed from Oil Pan with no photos and the IMS Bearing replaced with what I am assuming no serial number sent to buyer.
I don;t mean to pound this into the ground but strange considering OP came to the Forum for answers and hasn't bothered to respond and car he purchased is still sitting in PPI shop awaiting shipping.
Op is as dilligent following up on this Thread as he was during purchase.
Last edited by groovzilla; 09-11-2023 at 11:17 PM.
#23
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#24
That was on the 8th, long enough for you to grow impatient with his lack of response and make up some fantasy about how he must have gotten screwed. So yeah I did read and figured I would change the tone with a bit of positivity 😘
#25
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When any buyer pays over $3400 + cost of PPI with no documentation of work perfrormed something stinks. Also qualified shop would have suggested replacing $35 Rear Main Seal while transmission was out when they supposedly replaced the IMS Bearing because they all leak and no brainer for any Porsche shop who knows whats their doing..
When trying to help OP who sounds like he got scammed and no response, seems odd they wouldn;t respond or have interest in recorse since the car hasn't shipped yet.
I'm very dilligent & appreciate follow-up.
Last edited by groovzilla; 09-12-2023 at 05:37 AM.
#26
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Internet is a funny place... No need to beat a dead horse @groovzilla. OP is not obligated to follow-up. I don't even know why I'm spending time writing this. I think it's clear in his last post - the decision was made, lessons learned, and it's all out there for show. Maybe OP feels remorse or shame, he's even admitted to not knowing enough. But yet you keep asking for follow-ups and taking jabs about a subpar job during PPI. I understand the need for cold truths and hard facts when playing with expensive toys, but a little empathy and patience in a public forum won't kill you.
If it makes you feel any better, I take your persistence and diligence as a public service announcement on getting proper PPI and doing due diligence when making such a significant decision. I wish I knew more about the platform as much as I do now and I've made some great friendships in the community over the last 1.5 years of ownership that I wish I knew sooner, but I can only be grateful for the now.
If it makes you feel any better, I take your persistence and diligence as a public service announcement on getting proper PPI and doing due diligence when making such a significant decision. I wish I knew more about the platform as much as I do now and I've made some great friendships in the community over the last 1.5 years of ownership that I wish I knew sooner, but I can only be grateful for the now.
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#27
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Internet is a funny place... No need to beat a dead horse @groovzilla. OP is not obligated to follow-up. I don't even know why I'm spending time writing this. I think it's clear in his last post - the decision was made, lessons learned, and it's all out there for show. Maybe OP feels remorse or shame, he's even admitted to not knowing enough. But yet you keep asking for follow-ups and taking jabs about a subpar job during PPI. I understand the need for cold truths and hard facts when playing with expensive toys, but a little empathy and patience in a public forum won't kill you.
If it makes you feel any better, I take your persistence and diligence as a public service announcement on getting proper PPI and doing due diligence when making such a significant decision. I wish I knew more about the platform as much as I do now and I've made some great friendships in the community over the last 1.5 years of ownership that I wish I knew sooner, but I can only be grateful for the now.
If it makes you feel any better, I take your persistence and diligence as a public service announcement on getting proper PPI and doing due diligence when making such a significant decision. I wish I knew more about the platform as much as I do now and I've made some great friendships in the community over the last 1.5 years of ownership that I wish I knew sooner, but I can only be grateful for the now.
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#28
Hello all! Long time fan, first time poster. I just purchased a 2005 997.1 with 63k miles and I’m so stoked to own it because I have always loved this car and now have a job where I could afford the purchase and feel completely comfortable with the normal costs of ownership.
I’ve had the IMS addressed through an LN Engineering fix, so the only thing on my mind now is bore scoring. No issues noted thus far or during inspection, but I know that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen in the future. So my question is: is it worth rebuilding with Nikasil cylinders now to ensure it isn’t a problem down the road? Or keep an eye out for the signs of scoring and address the problem if it comes up?
I am young, dumb, and far from mechanically inclined, and would be curious to hear the thoughts of more experienced/wiser owners. (And I haven’t spotted this particular debate in my searches of this forum.) Thank you very much in advance for any help provided!
I’ve had the IMS addressed through an LN Engineering fix, so the only thing on my mind now is bore scoring. No issues noted thus far or during inspection, but I know that doesn’t mean it couldn’t happen in the future. So my question is: is it worth rebuilding with Nikasil cylinders now to ensure it isn’t a problem down the road? Or keep an eye out for the signs of scoring and address the problem if it comes up?
I am young, dumb, and far from mechanically inclined, and would be curious to hear the thoughts of more experienced/wiser owners. (And I haven’t spotted this particular debate in my searches of this forum.) Thank you very much in advance for any help provided!
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/test...dard-analysis/
#29
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Congrats on buying your dream car! I can relate to young and dumb. I impulse bought my 08C2S the morning after celebrating my 25th birthday. I still have it over 10 years later with 126k miles on it. I recommend regular oil changes and periodically lab test your engine oil to monitor problems, link below. When my 997 was my daily driver, I changed the oil every 6000 miles or once a year, which ever came first. I would also tear open the oil filter and take a picture. I don't really know what I'm looking for, but I felt better seeing no changes from past photos. You could plan to do some prevent maintenance when you eventually replace the clutch, like water pump, AOS, etc. Other than that just enjoy it.
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/test...dard-analysis/
https://www.blackstone-labs.com/test...dard-analysis/
126K miles is nothing for these cars if well serviced.
Last edited by groovzilla; 09-14-2023 at 01:54 PM.