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I heard the standard exhaust up close and it was literally terrible. Has anyone heard the PSE version? Is it much better?
Yes, I've driven it quite a bit. It's much better with PSE on - and they seemed to have really improved over the 991.2 exhaust note.
Still just a different sound though, as it should be since it's no longer NA.
Seems to have the gurgles and blips that everyone likes. For sure it's not quiet.
No need to be sorry, I'm just a purist. They'd still look like my first 1978 SC Targa if it was up to me (good thing it's not). Have to wonder what these radical departures will do to resale values ten years down the road. Based on the 996 prices I'd think it wouldn't be good but what do I know.
I was there recently. I sold my 997.1 and I was thinking of a new one (991 and co.).
I saw, I drove, and I was not excited.
In the end, I purchased 997.2 GTS - Masterpiece.
For me, the 997 is the latest Porsche 911 made.
I'm of the same mind, although I have far less experience in the world of 911's (only driven my 997.1 which I've had less than a week).
I targeted the 997.1 C2S manual because its generation seems like the last real sports car 911—a bit heavy to control, a little snarly, lots of character, and not super fat.
The new ones are more like GTs, which is fine, but not want I wanted from a 911 the first time out.
THAT SAID, If they were giving them away, I'll have a C4S PDK in Chalk over Bordeaux as an all year daily driver, thanks!
One way to look at things..... if you put a set of Fuchs wheels and a ducktail spoiler on a 997, it approximates to a large degree, the look of the the 911 through all previous generations - or at least, those modifications do not look out of place on the 997 in my opinion. Put some Fuchs and a ducktail spoiler on a 992 and let me know how that looks. It's just become a very different car. Something more like the Mercedes AMG GT (which is another dream car of mine, but it isn't a 911 and I chose the 911 over the GT for many reasons).
I don't blame Porsche for the changes. The VAST majority of people who have the funds to buy a brand new 911 want exactly what Porsche is producing. Most want a nice looking, nice performing GT car with few compromises. An automatic transmission, torque from a turbo engine, stability, etc. Let's all just be glad that we have so many flavors of 911s to choose from over the many years.
just to play devil's advocate but I would say that the 991.2 and 992 Targa is arguably more classic Porsche than the 997 with the full length roll bar vs the glass canopy roof. I guess this is why there's different flavors of ice cream. I suspect if we ask many of you in 5 years time what you think that the position may have softened a bit but only time will tell!
just to play devil's advocate but I would say that the 991.2 and 992 Targa is arguably more classic Porsche than the 997 with the full length roll bar vs the glass canopy roof. I guess this is why there's different flavors of ice cream. I suspect if we ask many of you in 5 years time what you think that the position may have softened a bit but only time will tell!
Agree regarding the glass and targa bar, my issue is with the bulbous back end. The older targa's had the gracefully sloping back end (like the SC below) as does the 997. This new one looks like it has something growing on the back, it's a big change in the character of the car. I don't know about it being accepted over time, the 996 headlights never were. Best not to tinker with tradition IMO.
Edit: Just to add even with the headlights the 996 sold a lot of new cars which is what Porsche cares about. People like us buying older used models aren't their big concern.
I don’t understand the appeal of the current Targa. You have all of the complexity, cost and added weight of a cabrio roof without the open-air feel. You have more wind buffeting than a cab, and no additional practicality (the previous-gen added the hatch).
The center glass and rear panel seem to wide in relation to the rear fender flares. It looks like the center slope for the engine panel should be more narrow to stay with tradition. Plus the rear fenders are suppose to cut back inward for the rear bumper not stay on a continuous curve. It's more than a fender flare now it blends into the read bumper. It just looks off, the targa bar is great and is a huge part of porsche history. But the rear tie in is not too hot in those photos.
No matter how great the bashing of the 992, I'd get one
in a NY minute if it made financial sense for me, an
eventual GT3 Touring would ring all my bells... In Porsche-dom
for me, newer is better. But forking north of 125k is problematic for me.
I confess that whenever I get the itch to trade my '09 cab, a visit to my
Porsche dealer cures me right quick.
just to play devil's advocate but I would say that the 991.2 and 992 Targa is arguably more classic Porsche than the 997 with the full length roll bar vs the glass canopy roof. I guess this is why there's different flavors of ice cream. I suspect if we ask many of you in 5 years time what you think that the position may have softened a bit but only time will tell!
A lot will happen in 5 years. Both the 991 and the 992 have been met with less than excitement from both enthusiasts and car magazine contributors based on what I've read. Same for the 996 when it was introduced. Don't remember much negative reviews if any when the 997 was introduced. The praise kept on coming with the 997.2. So with the 997, Porsche listened to the critics of the 996 and took a step backwards with the 997. Borrowed from the 993 and created one of the most loved 911's ever.
So maybe they'll do something like that again with the 994 or whatever they'll call it. Back off a bit from the GT touring path they've taken starting with the 991 and build a 911 with a more nimble look and feel including lines and curves more reminiscent of the 997 than the Panamera. Slim chance of that happening though if the 991 and 992 sales figures met/meet their goals.
