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Old 06-23-2020, 11:32 PM
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Are you sure they didn’t apply heat to those screws?
Old 06-23-2020, 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by bgoetz
Are you sure they didn’t apply heat to those screws?
I don’t think so. It looks like the brake fluid found a place to get under the powder coat and work it’s magic.
Old 06-23-2020, 11:54 PM
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Looks like the calipers have a clear-coat finish over the yellow, and that the brake fluid seeped / penetrated between both of those finishes. Clear coat looks like it's bubbled up as a result.
Old 06-23-2020, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by 3404
I don’t think so. It looks like the brake fluid found a place to get under the powder coat and work it’s magic.
For sure. Brake fluid is nasty stuff.
Old 06-24-2020, 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Bruizer
We have a saying in construction work, “ We don’t have time to do it right, but we have time to do it twice.” It’s very frustrating.
Yeah I've heard something similar applied to a just about any kind of trade. "There's never enough time to do it right but there's always time to do it over".
Old 06-25-2020, 10:22 PM
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The PCCB calipers tend to be more sensitive to this happening for some reason. As stated, it typically starts separating the clear coat from the paint, especially if the fluid is allowed to sit for any extended period of time. Every caliper bleeder I service gets a solid brake cleaner bath, followed by fully drying around and inside of the bleeder hole itself. If any fluid escapes when disconnecting the bleed hose, the rubber cap is typically removed also to fully clean.
Basically as of the paint's survival depends on it...
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Old 06-27-2020, 04:21 PM
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i HATE these F@#$kNg morons and the state of the stealership business. beyond unacceptable.

sorry to hear this brother.

Originally Posted by 3404
It’s pretty sad. I figured I’d save my time and let them do it...never again. I even have all the tools to do it properly at home. Oh well, live and learn I guess.
Old 06-28-2020, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by PV997
That sucks, but on the plus side at least there is evidence they actually flushed them as you'd never know otherwise (sorry, being a smart@$$). Has anyone routinely monitored the brake fluid moisture percentage to see if the two year flush is actually required? True Porsche recommends it but they seem to recommend lots of expensive maintenance without much justification (e.g. replacing spark plugs every four years).
I've been monitoring my brake fluid moisture percentage over the last 2 years and it has not changed from 1%. That said, I do live in Arizona so given that it is dry a majority of the year, it kind of makes sense. I haven't changed the fluid just yet as all is operating well but will still probably do it by the 3 yr mark anyway.
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Originally Posted by mujeriega
I've been monitoring my brake fluid moisture percentage over the last 2 years and it has not changed from 1%. That said, I do live in Arizona so given that it is dry a majority of the year, it kind of makes sense. I haven't changed the fluid just yet as all is operating well but will still probably do it by the 3 yr mark anyway.
Thanks Mujeiega. The 997.2 I bought last October was flushed in late 2016 according to the service records. I've been monitoring the moisture for the last few months and it's also been at 1% so I've been delaying it. Like you I'm in a dry climate (So Cal) so that very well may play a role. I'll be doing a brake job soon and will likely flush it then but I think Porsche's recommendation is very conservative.

BTW, any recommendation on brake pads out there? The brake dust is driving me absolutely crazy, not only the rims but the wheel wells and suspension are covered with the stuff. There has to be something better, the pads that came on the car I think are OEM.
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Originally Posted by PV997
BTW, any recommendation on brake pads out there? The brake dust is driving me absolutely crazy, not only the rims but the wheel wells and suspension are covered with the stuff. There has to be something better, the pads that came on the car I think are OEM.
I changed my pads to Hawk ceramic pads in 2014 (some 43,000 miles ago) and have been very happy with them by comparison. Much less brake dust, and its kind of a reddish brown instead of black, which does not show as dramatically. It also washes off easily. I now only wash my wheels every other car wash or so. With respect to performance, I can't tell any difference in bite or sustained braking power. That said, I do not track my car, but on the road they are great!
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Hawk Ceramics are my preferred pad too on all my vehicles that don't have PCCBs. Have them on my wife's 997 and they work great.
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+1 Hawk Ceramics.
Old 06-28-2020, 07:05 PM
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Thanks for the Hawk ceramics recommendation. The car's a 997.2 turbo (non-PCCB but big calipers) so the right pad was a little hard to find as FCP Euro and my other usual sources didn't have a listing. I did find them at hawkpadsdirect.com, reasonable price too.

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Old 06-28-2020, 08:00 PM
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What more can you expect from a dealership for such an old car? That’s always the answer I get. My Porsche is old they don’t know how to work on it.

REALLY old Porsches— forget it! Typical, sadly, crappy work.

i got into a spat with my local dealership when I brought my car in for something. “Collateral” damage. The timing was extremely suspicious that something would fail within days of their working in the area. In fact, disturbing the very bolt that failed. Dealerships, even Porsche, deserve the reputations they get. Ultimately, it affects which new dealership you go to to buy a new car, when you know that after the sales service is lacking.

The problem is complex. Automotive mechanics just are not out there anymore. Kids want to deal with beeps and squeaks rather than mechanical things. And best of luck finding competent service writers. They’re as rare as mechanics—only worse!

Learn to wrench yourself and make good friends with your nearby independent for the harder stuff!
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Originally Posted by Edgy01
Learn to wrench yourself and make good friends with your nearby independent for the harder stuff!
Agree 100%. Growing up in So Cal in the 70's and 80's we all worked on our own cars because 1) it was cool and 2) we were poor and all the money went to partying down.

I don't get this defense of the dealership stuff on some of these threads. Over in the 991 forum there was a guy defending dealer service because it led to goodwill when things go really bad. I suppose but I'm sure the money saved wrenching or using an indy could easily pay for a Fidelity warranty a few times over. Years of dealer service with $400 oil changes and $3000 brake jobs could easily rack up 10 grand or more in service costs. For that you may get goodwill if the dealer happens to like you. As compared to a less expensive warranty where there is virtually no risk of it being denied. I'm totally biased as I view dealership service departments as little more than legalized thievery but some of the defenses I've read almost seem pathological.


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