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02-04-2020, 10:51 AM
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Difficult start when warm...
Lately I'm starting to experience some starting difficulties on my 07 997.1 C2S. When the car is completely cold, it starts right up. However, if I start the car after parking for a duration between 10min to 3hrs, the car would typically refuse to start on the 1st attempt and shows any one or a combination of the following:
1: demand to have the clutch depressed (Obviously even when it's fully depressed!)
2: it would measure the oil levels of the engine
3: starter would not even crank
On my last service, which was about 4months ago, my mechanic did warn that the starter seem to be on the way out so I'm ready to get a new starter but wanted to make sure if there's anything else that I need to look into....
Thanks again in advance for all your inputs.
1: demand to have the clutch depressed (Obviously even when it's fully depressed!)
2: it would measure the oil levels of the engine
3: starter would not even crank
On my last service, which was about 4months ago, my mechanic did warn that the starter seem to be on the way out so I'm ready to get a new starter but wanted to make sure if there's anything else that I need to look into....
Thanks again in advance for all your inputs.
02-04-2020, 11:14 AM
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Very common issue: It is either the alternator cable or the starter or both.
I would go with the starter first as it is easier to replace than the cable and your car being a 2007 probably has the right alternator cable (I am ruling out the battery as you should check it first).
For your reading pleasure:
http://murenae.com/cars-porsche-2/
You will find descriptions and instructions to do both jobs.
Yves
I would go with the starter first as it is easier to replace than the cable and your car being a 2007 probably has the right alternator cable (I am ruling out the battery as you should check it first).
For your reading pleasure:
http://murenae.com/cars-porsche-2/
You will find descriptions and instructions to do both jobs.
Yves
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02-04-2020, 11:17 AM
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Very common issue: It is either the alternator cable or the starter or both.
I would go with the starter first as it is easier to replace than the cable and your car being a 2007 probably has the right alternator cable (I am ruling out the battery as you should check it first).
For your reading pleasure:
http://murenae.com/cars-porsche-2/
You will find descriptions and instructions to do both jobs.
Yves
I would go with the starter first as it is easier to replace than the cable and your car being a 2007 probably has the right alternator cable (I am ruling out the battery as you should check it first).
For your reading pleasure:
http://murenae.com/cars-porsche-2/
You will find descriptions and instructions to do both jobs.
Yves
02-04-2020, 11:50 AM
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02-04-2020, 12:46 PM
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Actually while I'm at it, as for the starter (Starter Motor), should I stick w/ factory unit or are there better alternatives? I looked at design 911 and they only offered Hella or Dansk...
02-04-2020, 04:54 PM
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Go for Bosch. No substitute. I tried a cheap Mexican version ..... it lasted 14 months.
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02-04-2020, 11:09 PM
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Tx all. Hopefully one last question: which bosch?
On PelicanParts, after specifying my car, being a 2007 997.1 3.8 model, I got a total of 3 listings:
1: SR-0808 N-M-114 USD$140
2: SR-0430-X-INT USD$204 I believe this is re-manufactured
3: SR-0808-N-M-14 USD$329
Which ones have you guys been buying?
On PelicanParts, after specifying my car, being a 2007 997.1 3.8 model, I got a total of 3 listings:
1: SR-0808 N-M-114 USD$140
2: SR-0430-X-INT USD$204 I believe this is re-manufactured
3: SR-0808-N-M-14 USD$329
Which ones have you guys been buying?
02-05-2020, 08:27 AM
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Your symptoms do not point to either the starter or the battery.
Your clutch switch is going bad and why the starter doesn't do anything and why you get the "depress clutch pedal message" and the oil check initiates. It's the exact same thing you'd see if you turned the key with your foot completely off the clutch like to check the oil level.
There are two clutch switches - one that installs on the pedal (90 degree turn and pulls out) and a higher one that's further up. It's this higher one that's tied into the clutch pedal having to be depressed for the starter to initialize.
It's possible that your harness and or your starter need to be replaced too, but neither of those results in that message being displayed - you'd get a very slow crank with those issues, not a no crank.
Your clutch switch is going bad and why the starter doesn't do anything and why you get the "depress clutch pedal message" and the oil check initiates. It's the exact same thing you'd see if you turned the key with your foot completely off the clutch like to check the oil level.
There are two clutch switches - one that installs on the pedal (90 degree turn and pulls out) and a higher one that's further up. It's this higher one that's tied into the clutch pedal having to be depressed for the starter to initialize.
It's possible that your harness and or your starter need to be replaced too, but neither of those results in that message being displayed - you'd get a very slow crank with those issues, not a no crank.
02-05-2020, 11:33 AM
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Your symptoms do not point to either the starter or the battery.
Your clutch switch is going bad and why the starter doesn't do anything and why you get the "depress clutch pedal message" and the oil check initiates. It's the exact same thing you'd see if you turned the key with your foot completely off the clutch like to check the oil level.
There are two clutch switches - one that installs on the pedal (90 degree turn and pulls out) and a higher one that's further up. It's this higher one that's tied into the clutch pedal having to be depressed for the starter to initialize.
It's possible that your harness and or your starter need to be replaced too, but neither of those results in that message being displayed - you'd get a very slow crank with those issues, not a no crank.
Your clutch switch is going bad and why the starter doesn't do anything and why you get the "depress clutch pedal message" and the oil check initiates. It's the exact same thing you'd see if you turned the key with your foot completely off the clutch like to check the oil level.
There are two clutch switches - one that installs on the pedal (90 degree turn and pulls out) and a higher one that's further up. It's this higher one that's tied into the clutch pedal having to be depressed for the starter to initialize.
It's possible that your harness and or your starter need to be replaced too, but neither of those results in that message being displayed - you'd get a very slow crank with those issues, not a no crank.
https://www.pelicanparts.com/More_In...0&SVSVSI=16704
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Lately I'm starting to experience some starting difficulties on my 07 997.1 C2S. When the car is completely cold, it starts right up. However, if I start the car after parking for a duration between 10min to 3hrs, the car would typically refuse to start on the 1st attempt and shows any one or a combination of the following:
1: demand to have the clutch depressed (Obviously even when it's fully depressed!)
2: it would measure the oil levels of the engine
3: starter would not even crank
On my last service, which was about 4months ago, my mechanic did warn that the starter seem to be on the way out so I'm ready to get a new starter but wanted to make sure if there's anything else that I need to look into....
Thanks again in advance for all your inputs.
1: demand to have the clutch depressed (Obviously even when it's fully depressed!)
2: it would measure the oil levels of the engine
3: starter would not even crank
On my last service, which was about 4months ago, my mechanic did warn that the starter seem to be on the way out so I'm ready to get a new starter but wanted to make sure if there's anything else that I need to look into....
Thanks again in advance for all your inputs.
