997 - LAST mechanical, reliable Porsche 911?
#1
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997 - LAST mechanical, reliable Porsche 911?
So, not sure if you guys have followed Nick Murray on YouTube, who does a lot of cool Porsche and car videos and basically came to fame highlighting the numerous issues with his 991.1 which finally was bought back by Porsche as a lemon! Now, unlucky enough, his 991.2 is developing similar issues, almost all electrical, and has been in the Porsche dealership for over 2months, with weird issues preventing the car from even starting!!!
Here's the video
This to me this is further proof, 997 is pretty much the LAST mostly mechanical 911, and all new generations moving forward would have more and more of these electrical issues which could be impossible fix outside of dealers in 20yrs or so. Obviously we still have a ton of electronics in our cars, but they're more primitive and easy to diagnose than anything in 991/992 and beyond.
Thoughts?
PS. IMS issues aside ofcourse, don't bring up the same old IMS, IMS, IMS nonsense... we all know!
Here's the video
This to me this is further proof, 997 is pretty much the LAST mostly mechanical 911, and all new generations moving forward would have more and more of these electrical issues which could be impossible fix outside of dealers in 20yrs or so. Obviously we still have a ton of electronics in our cars, but they're more primitive and easy to diagnose than anything in 991/992 and beyond.
Thoughts?
PS. IMS issues aside ofcourse, don't bring up the same old IMS, IMS, IMS nonsense... we all know!
Last edited by alexb76; 02-12-2019 at 04:18 PM.
#2
I follow him too. hard to believe lightning strikes twice. Running through my head is the dash cam and radar detector installs he did and how they're prob cut into wiring harness for power. Has any of that started to short behind the dash?
#3
Three Wheelin'
I'm not sure about the 997 as "mostly mechanical" this sounds like some bogus story an owner tells themselves to feel better.
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
#4
I'm not sure about the 997 as "mostly mechanical" this sounds like some bogus story an owner tells themselves to feel better.
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
#5
Drifting
Oh pls, not even remotely
#6
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I wonder how much DIY work is done by 991 owners. I would assume much less than 997 owners. Another attractive feature of our 997’s is the serviceability.
I am a Nick follower as well. Like his videos. He is exhibiting a lot of patience with his latest 911 issues.
I am a Nick follower as well. Like his videos. He is exhibiting a lot of patience with his latest 911 issues.
#7
RL Community Team
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Probably have to go back to the '79, '80, '81 era to get a truly mechanical 911 or other Porsche for that matter. After that, they replaced the K-Jet and L-Jet Mechanical Fuel injection with Electronic Fuel Injection and there's the first computer where things aren't fixed mechanically.
For me though, the 997 is the perfect balance of classic 911 and modern 911.
For me though, the 997 is the perfect balance of classic 911 and modern 911.
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#8
Race Director
the 991.2 guys are out there pushing the, 991.2 is the last of the real 911s, the last of the real sports cars, the last of the analog experience, blah blah blah.
#9
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exactly right. Seems like 911 owners constantly try to reinforce their purchase with this "LAST OF" crap.
the 991.2 guys are out there pushing the, 991.2 is the last of the real 911s, the last of the real sports cars, the last of the analog experience, blah blah blah.
the 991.2 guys are out there pushing the, 991.2 is the last of the real 911s, the last of the real sports cars, the last of the analog experience, blah blah blah.
#10
I'm not sure about the 997 as "mostly mechanical" this sounds like some bogus story an owner tells themselves to feel better.
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
a 997 still has pretty much every critical system as being computer controlled. Is it a bit more analog feeling than a 991.2.. surely. But to say its mostly mechanical does a disservice to some previous generation that weren't run largely by computers (which a 997 is, in fact)
ABS
Fuel injection
Stability management
Headlights (aren't they all auto leveling? maybe that's just 997.2)
Thats a few things I can think of right off that are computer controlled
I think the 997 (especially the .1) strikes a nice balance between iconic looks and modern safety and convenience features, but I don't feel like it's "the last of" anything...other than perhaps the last Porsche I will own, and that's mainly a consideration of my age and money decisions.
#11
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I think the last mechanical, reliable Porsche was my 356
#12
Rocky Mountain High
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exactly right. Seems like 911 owners constantly try to reinforce their purchase with this "LAST OF" crap.
the 991.2 guys are out there pushing the, 991.2 is the last of the real 911s, the last of the real sports cars, the last of the analog experience, blah blah blah.
the 991.2 guys are out there pushing the, 991.2 is the last of the real 911s, the last of the real sports cars, the last of the analog experience, blah blah blah.
I’m excited because my 991.1 is now raw and visceral and offeres a true sports car experience. Prior to the launch of the 992, my car was a fat, bloated GT car. Now the 992 is the fat, bloated GT car! Woo hoo!
#13
Race Director
just wait till the 993 comes out......oh wait
#15
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997 - LAST mechanical, reliable Porsche 911?
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No.
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