Thinking about selling my GTS
01-28-2019 | 07:45 AM
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so what 911 are you getting as a replacement? Just went on a spirited drive today, saw a lot of 911’s. The only ones that interested me were the GT3 touring which is gorgeous and some screaming 964’s. Also made me realize that I’m not a fan of PASM at all. Anyway, post up your new ride, looking forward to seeing it when it comes.
01-28-2019 | 04:58 PM
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why? i'm speaking specifically about Sandwedge's GTS advertised in the marketplace with a "perfectly clean" Carfax, which technically is true if you pull the Carfax, but there is no mention of the accident that was detailed in his thread Another Rear End Story
I don't think the accident should be an issue for a buyer since the repairs are well documented and there is evidence that the damage was minor. From a practical standpoint the incident is inconsequential but obviously a buyer should be aware that history is not perfectly clean.
01-28-2019 | 06:09 PM
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I don't think the accident should be an issue for a buyer since the repairs are well documented and there is evidence that the damage was minor. From a practical standpoint the incident is inconsequential but obviously a buyer should be aware that history is not perfectly clean.
01-28-2019 | 10:47 PM
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I think it's safe to assume Carfax will pick this up sooner or later. It already shows up as an accident on AutoCheck so Carfax is probably just slow to update. 5/05/2018SARASOTA, FLAccident SourceACCIDENT OR VEHICLE DAMAGE REPORTED: REAR CENTER 05/05/2018SARASOTA, FLPolice ReportACCIDENT REPORTED(Case #:18-028120)
I don't think the accident should be an issue for a buyer since the repairs are well documented and there is evidence that the damage was minor. From a practical standpoint the incident is inconsequential but obviously a buyer should be aware that history is not perfectly clean.
I don't think the accident should be an issue for a buyer since the repairs are well documented and there is evidence that the damage was minor. From a practical standpoint the incident is inconsequential but obviously a buyer should be aware that history is not perfectly clean.
Incidentally I spoke with a certified auto appraiser today. Learned some interesting things. First off he said that it's all but certain that my bumper replacement will never show up on Carfax. He said it's highly unusual not to see it within a month of the completed repair which checks exactly with how my rear ended -09 C4S was reported. We're approaching a year from my accident so he basically said to forget it. Somehow it fell through the cracks.
Further and maybe more importantly he said that it really doesn't matter if only the bumper and some exhaust parts were replaced. Not even a dealer should deduct anything from full market value even if there was Carfax history of the event. Why? Because those parts are considered "bolt on items" that are not part of the structure of the car and therefore do not reduce the value of the car. That would explain why the guy at Champion Porsche skipped the bumpers on my -06 C4S. I agree that a paint meter probably is useless on anything than metal surfaces but even if they did detect a bumper repair it wouldn't affect the price of the car unless the repair was clearly visible and second or third rate.
This is the source: https://www.alignable.com/sarasota-f...l-by-cal-smith
Further and maybe more importantly he said that it really doesn't matter if only the bumper and some exhaust parts were replaced. Not even a dealer should deduct anything from full market value even if there was Carfax history of the event. Why? Because those parts are considered "bolt on items" that are not part of the structure of the car and therefore do not reduce the value of the car. That would explain why the guy at Champion Porsche skipped the bumpers on my -06 C4S. I agree that a paint meter probably is useless on anything than metal surfaces but even if they did detect a bumper repair it wouldn't affect the price of the car unless the repair was clearly visible and second or third rate.
This is the source: https://www.alignable.com/sarasota-f...l-by-cal-smith
01-29-2019 | 09:12 AM
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Incidentally I spoke with a certified auto appraiser today. Learned some interesting things. First off he said that it's all but certain that my bumper replacement will never show up on Carfax. He said it's highly unusual not to see it within a month of the completed repair which checks exactly with how my rear ended -09 C4S was reported. We're approaching a year from my accident so he basically said to forget it. Somehow it fell through the cracks.
Further and maybe more importantly he said that it really doesn't matter if only the bumper and some exhaust parts were replaced. Not even a dealer should deduct anything from full market value even if there was Carfax history of the event. Why? Because those parts are considered "bolt on items" that are not part of the structure of the car and therefore do not reduce the value of the car. That would explain why the guy at Champion Porsche skipped the bumpers on my -06 C4S. I agree that a paint meter probably is useless on anything than metal surfaces but even if they did detect a bumper repair it wouldn't affect the price of the car unless the repair was clearly visible and second or third rate.
This is the source: https://www.alignable.com/sarasota-f...l-by-cal-smith
Further and maybe more importantly he said that it really doesn't matter if only the bumper and some exhaust parts were replaced. Not even a dealer should deduct anything from full market value even if there was Carfax history of the event. Why? Because those parts are considered "bolt on items" that are not part of the structure of the car and therefore do not reduce the value of the car. That would explain why the guy at Champion Porsche skipped the bumpers on my -06 C4S. I agree that a paint meter probably is useless on anything than metal surfaces but even if they did detect a bumper repair it wouldn't affect the price of the car unless the repair was clearly visible and second or third rate.
This is the source: https://www.alignable.com/sarasota-f...l-by-cal-smith
01-29-2019 | 11:40 PM
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I am a bit confused. Did you receive a diminished value settlement from the other driver's insurance company? Insurance companies do not pay out DV if there was none. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. There will be a buyer who will not care about the accident and only he/she will dictate what the car is worth.
As for what I'm trying to accomplish? Nothing really except to share something that doesn't seem to be widely recognized.
02-01-2019 | 01:09 PM
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In another thread you said
Trade-in implies to me you're getting something else from that dealership - what did you decide on - 997 Turbo, 991 GT3, Aston Martin (just kididng), ?
Inquiring minds want to know....
Inquiring minds want to know....
02-01-2019 | 02:36 PM
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02-02-2019 | 02:24 AM
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So again, I'm thinking I should just keep what I have and forget about the odometer. The 997 is unbeatable imo, I have mine set up exactly the way I want it, it's basically flawless and the trade in values are all over the map. Porsche of Naples in Florida offered me $40,000 for my car towards a 2015 991 GTS they have at $99,000. KBB has the average list price of my car with my mileage by a dealer at $61,000 so they think they should make around $20,000 on my trade in car. A Texas Porsche dealer has an almost identical 991 GTS to the Naples car but lower miles and slightly lower price. They offered me $55,000 for my car so a $15,000 spread in trade in money between these two dealers provided with the exact same information and photos of my car selling almost identical cars. Craziness that just tells you not to participate in these games and stay put.
02-02-2019 | 03:29 AM
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Trade ins are tough, I traded an S4 in on my GTS in 2015. I had low expectations on my modded out S4 but I got what I wanted. I think the only 991 I’d get is a GT3 touring, so I’d keep the GTS if I were you. I plan on keeping mine and I hope to add an air cooled 911 or a 944 Turbo at some time in the years to come.
02-02-2019 | 08:18 AM
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Had some seat time in the 991.1 GTS? I'd be interested to hear some critical feedback.
At $95k+ on the 991.1 GTS its a hard sell over a $115k 991 GT3. Considering I'd end up spending at least $10k on mods. And $55k on a perfectly sorted 997 GTS is also a bit daft. Hard spot to be in. That is unless you keep the GTS.
At $95k+ on the 991.1 GTS its a hard sell over a $115k 991 GT3. Considering I'd end up spending at least $10k on mods. And $55k on a perfectly sorted 997 GTS is also a bit daft. Hard spot to be in. That is unless you keep the GTS.
02-02-2019 | 08:40 AM
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I feel you on what to trade into. I’m close to getting my car perfectly sorted. The only thing keeping me out of a GT3 (997 or 991) is that I like to share the experience with my young children on the way to school. If you don’t need the back seats, the options are limitless.
02-02-2019 | 11:05 AM
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At this point I'm leaning heavily towards keeping what I have. I've been looking at a 2012 GTS, basically identical to mine but with just 15,000 miles. Also looked at a 991 GTS but as much as I would like to like the 991 platform I can't seem to get there. A 2010 or 2011 997 Turbo has been a consideration too but really prefer a NA engine. Finally Pete, an Aston Vantage has actually been in the back of my head since I first saw one on the road. Love the looks of it (and the sound) but I just know it's too far removed from the 911 feel and culture that I wouldn't be happy with it. A buddy of mine made the move from a 997.1 C4S to a Vantage some years ago. He was back in a 997 after about 3 months with the Vantage as I recall it.
So again, I'm thinking I should just keep what I have and forget about the odometer. The 997 is unbeatable imo, I have mine set up exactly the way I want it, it's basically flawless and the trade in values are all over the map. Porsche of Naples in Florida offered me $40,000 for my car towards a 2015 991 GTS they have at $99,000. KBB has the average list price of my car with my mileage by a dealer at $61,000 so they think they should make around $20,000 on my trade in car. A Texas Porsche dealer has an almost identical 991 GTS to the Naples car but lower miles and slightly lower price. They offered me $55,000 for my car so a $15,000 spread in trade in money between these two dealers provided with the exact same information and photos of my car selling almost identical cars. Craziness that just tells you not to participate in these games and stay put.
So again, I'm thinking I should just keep what I have and forget about the odometer. The 997 is unbeatable imo, I have mine set up exactly the way I want it, it's basically flawless and the trade in values are all over the map. Porsche of Naples in Florida offered me $40,000 for my car towards a 2015 991 GTS they have at $99,000. KBB has the average list price of my car with my mileage by a dealer at $61,000 so they think they should make around $20,000 on my trade in car. A Texas Porsche dealer has an almost identical 991 GTS to the Naples car but lower miles and slightly lower price. They offered me $55,000 for my car so a $15,000 spread in trade in money between these two dealers provided with the exact same information and photos of my car selling almost identical cars. Craziness that just tells you not to participate in these games and stay put.
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02-02-2019 | 11:11 AM
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I feel you on what to trade into. I’m close to getting my car perfectly sorted. The only thing keeping me out of a GT3 (997 or 991) is that I like to share the experience with my young children on the way to school. If you don’t need the back seats, the options are limitless.