$50k budget...997.1 S or c4s vs CPO m3/4
10-06-2018, 11:12 AM
#31
Good luck with your car hunting. Just an observation. The all wheel drive is really not about winter. Especially for me, since I love to drive this car every day, all wheel drive is is about wet traction. This C4S is awesome in the rain! Very confidence inspiring. I do put winter tires on, but thats just about the temperature, not snow. Below 50 degrees is not ideal for summer hi performance tires. I drive all winter long as long as there is no salt. That means it sits in the garage for long spells until a good rain comes to wash the salt away.
what do you all think about mileage? Should I have a cutoff point? It seems to get a .2 under 50k I’ll have to go for one with a couple more miles
10-06-2018, 12:12 PM
#32
thank you! That’s a very nice offer. It looks like stevinson has one coming into inventory so I may check that out even if it’s not exactly what I’d want.
Yeah I definitely like the 4S, but it’s a bit out of budget in .2 trim sadly.
what do you all think about mileage? Should I have a cutoff point? It seems to get a .2 under 50k I’ll have to go for one with a couple more miles
10-07-2018, 02:57 AM
#33
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Are you set on a 911? A used 718 Boxster/Cayman can be had with turbo so you won't have to worry about losing any power at altitude (not sure a 345-385 HP car will lose that much power that you will notice anyway--the ECU will compensate). Supposedly they are dynamically superior cars, but to me a Porsche is not a Porsche unless it is a 911. I am a former dyed in the wool BMW M3 enthusiast. I was recently performing the same calculus as you between a 997.2 911 GTS and a BMW M4. The Porsche costs more but it has less depreciation downside IMO. I thought it was blasphemy that they changed the M3 Coupe into the M4. They should have kept it M3 and just made the distinguishing factor coupe or sedan. BMW definitely lost its way in a lot of ways, but they are still decent cars albeit not very exclusive ones any more. You should just get a porsche. It will make you feel like a distinguished gentleman and a member of an exclusive yet still somewhat accessible club.
10-13-2018, 07:55 PM
#34
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My mechanic told me pre 2009 911’s gave him a lot of business but 2009 forward we’re bankrupting him because they don’t break. I just got a 2009 Targa 4s under circumstances that would cause most here to call me a fool. When I got it home after a 10 hour trip I had a soup to nuts maintenance and assessment done. Luckily for me a clean bill of health. First 911 and have several 968’s including a track car. I love the car. Be patient and go for it.
10-13-2018, 08:20 PM
#35
Hot sports opinion. This forum is crazy obsessed with 997.2...and I think it’s ridiculous. I’ve had both and currently drive a .1. .2 is slightly better, but not 8-10k better...which is what the market seems to be bearing. .1 feels a bit more raw to me and power is negligible for every day driving.
For 10k in savings, buy a tech stock that’s been hammered last 30 days and within a few years you’ll have enough saved for catastrophic engine failure replace. Ha!
Drive em both and then you’ll know.
For 10k in savings, buy a tech stock that’s been hammered last 30 days and within a few years you’ll have enough saved for catastrophic engine failure replace. Ha!
Drive em both and then you’ll know.
10-13-2018, 08:24 PM
#36
Hot sports opinion. This forum is crazy obsessed with 997.2...and I think it’s ridiculous. I’ve had both and currently drive a .1. .2 is slightly better, but not 8-10k better...which is what the market seems to be bearing. .1 feels a bit more raw to me and power is negligible for every day driving.
For 10k in savings, buy a tech stock that’s been hammered last 30 days and within a few years you’ll have enough saved for catastrophic engine failure replace. Ha!
Drive em both and then you’ll know.
For 10k in savings, buy a tech stock that’s been hammered last 30 days and within a few years you’ll have enough saved for catastrophic engine failure replace. Ha!
Drive em both and then you’ll know.
10-13-2018, 09:15 PM
#37
LIS - risk is in the eye of the beholder...to each their own. From my purview, neither of these Porsche cars are risky...if you stare at the math.
To the OP:
bmw $50k. 50k miles from now car is worth 15 - 20k. thousands in repairs.
997.1 $45k. 50k miles from now car is worth 35k. Not thousands in repairs.
Even if my car blows up (which is a ridiculous what if), my 997.1 math still wins. $5k in market per year is almost $10k in about 5 or 6 years as a passive investor.
To the OP:
bmw $50k. 50k miles from now car is worth 15 - 20k. thousands in repairs.
997.1 $45k. 50k miles from now car is worth 35k. Not thousands in repairs.
Even if my car blows up (which is a ridiculous what if), my 997.1 math still wins. $5k in market per year is almost $10k in about 5 or 6 years as a passive investor.
10-14-2018, 12:52 AM
#38
10-14-2018, 12:56 AM
#39
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Anyone have any thoughts on this car?
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5859/overview/
https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/d...5859/overview/
10-14-2018, 01:01 AM
#40
X51 very rare and needed for 4s in my opinion. Atlas was my first 997.1....love that color. Also very rare.
This car car is priced pretty well given msrp and extra power. I would shoot for 47.5 and give yourself extra few grand for new wheels. Mileage about right for 06.
Do a PPI and do it quickly...x51s don’t last long.
This car car is priced pretty well given msrp and extra power. I would shoot for 47.5 and give yourself extra few grand for new wheels. Mileage about right for 06.
Do a PPI and do it quickly...x51s don’t last long.
10-14-2018, 02:02 AM
#41
Nordschleife Master
LIS - risk is in the eye of the beholder...to each their own. From my purview, neither of these Porsche cars are risky...if you stare at the math.
To the OP:
bmw $50k. 50k miles from now car is worth 15 - 20k. thousands in repairs.
997.1 $45k. 50k miles from now car is worth 35k. Not thousands in repairs.
Even if my car blows up (which is a ridiculous what if), my 997.1 math still wins. $5k in market per year is almost $10k in about 5 or 6 years as a passive investor.
To the OP:
bmw $50k. 50k miles from now car is worth 15 - 20k. thousands in repairs.
997.1 $45k. 50k miles from now car is worth 35k. Not thousands in repairs.
Even if my car blows up (which is a ridiculous what if), my 997.1 math still wins. $5k in market per year is almost $10k in about 5 or 6 years as a passive investor.
10-14-2018, 11:46 AM
#42
Sandwedge so why wouldnt someone just buy a warranty...still saving 5 grand? .2 still has similar rIsk of thousands in repairs....just read some dude had to replace his pdk and cost 14 grand.
Also read other day from a mechanic in the Bay Area had been there 15 years and never seen or heard of bore scoring incident at the shop.
Whatevs...now I get how the 996 community feels. Side note, would own one of those if I could stand the look. The 996 math equation makes my 997 decision look foolish.
Also read other day from a mechanic in the Bay Area had been there 15 years and never seen or heard of bore scoring incident at the shop.
Whatevs...now I get how the 996 community feels. Side note, would own one of those if I could stand the look. The 996 math equation makes my 997 decision look foolish.
Last edited by porscheconvert; 10-14-2018 at 12:08 PM.
10-14-2018, 12:19 PM
#43
Three Wheelin'
Thread derails into 997.1 vs 997.2, predictably.
Long term.. the market will make clear which cars are a better and smarter buy. That's pretty much already happened, so the argument is merely academic at this point.
Long term.. the market will make clear which cars are a better and smarter buy. That's pretty much already happened, so the argument is merely academic at this point.
10-14-2018, 12:24 PM
#44
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Personally, I love the look of the 997s, but wouldn't feel the same about a 996 with the walk away and look back, or while looking around the inside during a drive.