GoBlueBirkett

I just purchased an '09 997.2 C2 cabriolet with 63K miles and pretty minimal options. MT, Sport Chrono, Bose and that's about it. Original MSRP was $95K, which is about as low as I came across during my fairly extensive search. It's midnight blue over sand beige. Buying from a Porsche dealer who was able to get it CPO'd. I'm paying $43,500. It was about $40K for the car plus $3,500 for the CPO. The car did have an accident on its Carfax, but it was from 2009 or 2010 when it had relatively few miles meaning it was driven for 10 years post accident which gives me some comfort.. PPI from an independent Porsche specialist showed it was in good mechanical condition with some places where it could be improved cosmetically. DME showed no Range 2 or above ignitions. I debated about spending the extra on the CPO, but decided the $3,500 was worth it to me for 2 years of worry-free (for the most part) enjoyment.

Picking it up this Friday morning and driving 1,000 miles home. Really excited!

Vincent713

Sounds like a nice car, cabriolets will always be less expensive than a coupe in the used market. Good luck with your purchase.

sandwedge

Two schools on this. Very few manuals were made based on demand. The ratio I've seen over and over is 80% PDK vs. 20% manuals. So one could assume that a huge majority prefer PDK over manual but the minority who wants a manual might be fighting over the few manuals available driving up the price. Or the pool of manual buyers is small enough where a price war is not likely based on options, cab/coupe, overall condition, location etc. Draw your own conclusion. I don't have one.

Vincent713

My theory is the younger crowds want a PDK while the older crowds prefer a manual. There are less population in the younger crowds that can afford a 911 vs there are more older folks who can afford one. My conclusion is there are more folks who wants the manual and is in high demand right now.

mjposner

"My conclusion is there are more folks who wants the manual and is in high demand right now." That logic is not sound. The actual problem is that for every 10 buyers 7 want pdk and 3 want manual, but as there are 8 pdk and only 2 manuals available at a given timer, the demand for manuals is outstripped by supply, pushing up the price, not because more folks want manuals but the few folks who do outnumber the low supply.

I have been looking for a 997.2 speed yellow cab s or turbo manual for months.

Ironman88

The 80 / 20 ratio may be accurate, I've heard that too. I found it interesting however when speaking with the general manager of the local Porsche dealer here that the only way they will order a manual 911 is if it's a pre-sold car. And he indicated that has not happened in quite some time. Everything is PDK.

TheTorch

To be fair, they just started shipping manual 992s a couple months ago, and it's not even possible to get manual on a base carrera 992. So maybe some part of "everything is PDK" is because you couldn't get one. Be interesting to check back in with the GM after they have shipped some and reviews and word of mouth get out, etc., etc.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-car...al-specs-cost/

Upscale Audio

I love the 997 with manual because of the placement of the center console and the shifter itself. It just feels so natural..like it was designed around that idea.

I prefer PDK on a 991. It's a bigger car, feels a little less like a go-kart (not better or worse, just different). And the interior feels to ME like it was designed for paddles. And as much as I love a 3rd peddle, PDK is a f*cking blast.

Ironman88

Of course.

The focus of the discussion was reflective / illustrative of buyer attitude / preference.

He's been a Porsche GM for over 15 years. He's watched the evolution of preference unfold firsthand.

SpeedyD

It has been said before but bears repeating, new Porsche buyers are a different mix than used buyers and collectors. The latter two groups as a whole will always prefer manual relative to the supply of manual cars out there. So the manual premium will remain and likely continue to widen.

Initial sales mix and initial demand means nothing. As another example, you could say cabs make up 20-40% of new 911 sales in the US AND have higher sticker price. So you would expect (in combination) that would mean their used prices would be equal - buts coupes command a premium. Again, different mix of buyers new vs used/collectors.

Ironman88

Today, yes, certainly.

Bobby 911

well said

mjposner

997.2/991 are not collectible cars so I still believe pdk demand is higher for used models and with the buyer market of manual drivers aging out, pdk demand will probably continue to rise. As an aside, electric car sales out paced manual sales last year. Take rate is like 1%

sandwedge

Sounds like a repeat of what happened at Lamborghini which led them to stop making manuals altogether. Same with Ferrari.

bheit1

I'm new to the forum and am considering to purchase a 997. Currently I own an 2017 M4 and I'm considering to trade it in for a 997.
Question is, the CPO 997 I have in mind at the nearby dealership is a '09 launch model 997.2 PRG color, sand beige interior and 82000 km on it. They are asking for 65k CAD which is equivalent to around 49.k USD.
Is this a reasonable price? PRG is not really the color I like the best but this seems to be a good deal.
I am meeting up with a salesperson at the dealership to get a quote on my M4 on Thursday.[/QUOTE]

Please disregard. I didn't notice this was an old post.