Last true 911
04-09-2018, 10:59 PM
#1
Last true 911
Was bored at work watching youtube and on carfection he visited a dealership in London called Hexagon Classics. The owner of the dealership was collecting 997's. He said they were the last true 911 before VW made all the decisions. He called it the end of an era. If I had a dime every time I heard that when a new 911 came out I'd have, well, 50 cents, butyou know what I mean.
04-10-2018, 01:03 AM
#3
Nordschleife Master
Was bored at work watching youtube and on carfection he visited a dealership in London called Hexagon Classics. <strong>The owner of the dealership was collecting 997's. He said they were the last true 911 before VW made all the decisions</strong>.<strong> He called it the end of an era</strong>. If I had a dime every time I heard that when a new 911 came out I'd have, well, 50 cents, butyou know what I mean.
04-10-2018, 07:24 AM
#4
Instructor
I will say this about that: My instructor at this past weekend's DE at Summit Point let me take his manual 991.1 to run an errand. (Long story...won't bore you.) Anyway, just in that short amount of time in that car I could tell there is a vast difference in the feel of the car. It was more "refined" in every way. No doubt it would be more comfortable sporting about town and such, pulling up to your favorite swanky restaurant's valet parking kiosk with your best gal in tow, etc. At the same time, there is no doubt that car would dust mine (997.1) at the track, all things being equal. My 997.1 definitely has a much more raw feel to it which those who want to feel more connected to the car (and maybe the past) and could give a hoot about valet parking, would likely prefer. Which is better? Hell, I don't know....depends on what YOU like.
04-10-2018, 07:39 AM
#5
Why not just get a 991 and then pull the fuse for PASM and the active engine mounts and the electric steering and the cooled seats and pump the tires up an extra 10 psi to make it more "raw"?
To me, the "X gen is the last true 911" narrative sounds like a lot of "my generation is the last real one cuz I can't afford a new one and I need a reason to continue to feel smugly superior to all those stuck up 991 (soon to be 992) owners."
If I had the cash, I'd be all over a 991. I don't. So my 997.2 C2S is my current true 911. Note that my observation comes from my time in the 996 forum where the 997 was too refined and had lost it's way as a "raw, driving machine."
Appreciate what you got. Appreciate that Porsche continues to sell rich folk new ones so that we 997 folk can get a deal on a 992 in a few years
To me, the "X gen is the last true 911" narrative sounds like a lot of "my generation is the last real one cuz I can't afford a new one and I need a reason to continue to feel smugly superior to all those stuck up 991 (soon to be 992) owners."
If I had the cash, I'd be all over a 991. I don't. So my 997.2 C2S is my current true 911. Note that my observation comes from my time in the 996 forum where the 997 was too refined and had lost it's way as a "raw, driving machine."
Appreciate what you got. Appreciate that Porsche continues to sell rich folk new ones so that we 997 folk can get a deal on a 992 in a few years
Last edited by mcfisticuffs; 04-10-2018 at 08:39 AM.
04-10-2018, 07:53 AM
#6
Had 2 997s, and when returning to the brand after a hiatus, I was leaning towards 991...until I drove it. Liked the car and may own one in future, but felt very different than 997. So I bought my 3rd 997.
One thing that is weird is the distinct 911 smell is gone with 991. Smells like a Cayenne now....
One thing that is weird is the distinct 911 smell is gone with 991. Smells like a Cayenne now....
04-10-2018, 09:32 AM
#7
Why not just get a 991 and then pull the fuse for PASM and the active engine mounts and the electric steering and the cooled seats and pump the tires up an extra 10 psi to make it more "raw"?
To me, the "X gen is the last true 911" narrative sounds like a lot of "my generation is the last real one cuz I can't afford a new one and I need a reason to continue to feel smugly superior to all those stuck up 991 (soon to be 992) owners."
If I had the cash, I'd be all over a 991. I don't. So my 997.2 C2S is my current true 911. Note that my observation comes from my time in the 996 forum where the 997 was too refined and had lost it's way as a "raw, driving machine."
Appreciate what you got. Appreciate that Porsche continues to sell rich folk new ones so that we 997 folk can get a deal on a 992 in a few years
To me, the "X gen is the last true 911" narrative sounds like a lot of "my generation is the last real one cuz I can't afford a new one and I need a reason to continue to feel smugly superior to all those stuck up 991 (soon to be 992) owners."
If I had the cash, I'd be all over a 991. I don't. So my 997.2 C2S is my current true 911. Note that my observation comes from my time in the 996 forum where the 997 was too refined and had lost it's way as a "raw, driving machine."
Appreciate what you got. Appreciate that Porsche continues to sell rich folk new ones so that we 997 folk can get a deal on a 992 in a few years
Look at 997 GTS prices, they are nearly $80k for a PDK one with 20k Miles. A 997 GTS is very similar to a 997.2 C2S in driving experience. So just something to keep in mind. The 997.2 will always be less than a 991 in price, but not by much.
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04-10-2018, 10:21 AM
#8
RL Community Team
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I disagree. I think the 997.2 GTS will actually outprice a 991.1 here very shortly, like within the year.
I also don't have any desire to own a 991 or any newer Porsche other than a Macan Turbo (as wife's DD as it's the right size for what she needs now with the kids with the right balance of utility and sportiness) or a Mission E which looks to be a very impressive machine and is a glimpse into Porsche's future (all electric by 2030 and focused on the Formula E series).
In the 911 body style, I'm perfectly content with my 997.1 RUF car. If you think the 997 is the last of the raw Porsches, it can be made even more engaging and raw with some suspension mods. My wife's 997.1 C2S with stock suspension is nice - mine is razor sharp and both handling and power delivery are in a different league than hers. My point is for those that like a more engaging car, you're better off buying a 997 and putting the money into it to make it the way you want it to be than to spend the difference on the newer 991 which is a faster depreciating asset. I never plan to sell mine so don't really care what the value proposition is - only way I'll be gettng rid of it is if someone totals it and then for what it's insured for, I can buy and mod a 997 turbo or find another unique RUF car to replace it.
I also don't have any desire to own a 991 or any newer Porsche other than a Macan Turbo (as wife's DD as it's the right size for what she needs now with the kids with the right balance of utility and sportiness) or a Mission E which looks to be a very impressive machine and is a glimpse into Porsche's future (all electric by 2030 and focused on the Formula E series).
In the 911 body style, I'm perfectly content with my 997.1 RUF car. If you think the 997 is the last of the raw Porsches, it can be made even more engaging and raw with some suspension mods. My wife's 997.1 C2S with stock suspension is nice - mine is razor sharp and both handling and power delivery are in a different league than hers. My point is for those that like a more engaging car, you're better off buying a 997 and putting the money into it to make it the way you want it to be than to spend the difference on the newer 991 which is a faster depreciating asset. I never plan to sell mine so don't really care what the value proposition is - only way I'll be gettng rid of it is if someone totals it and then for what it's insured for, I can buy and mod a 997 turbo or find another unique RUF car to replace it.
04-10-2018, 11:28 AM
#10
Rennlist Member
You guys are bickering over chicken feed. I’m developing a crank start kit for the 991 to really trump the 997 in the raw category.
04-10-2018, 11:37 AM
#11
Drifting
To be honest, I'd bet a lot of people looking for 997s in 2018 are more the types who would be shopping for air-cooleds if the value proposition were still there.
04-10-2018, 11:54 AM
#12
Rennlist Member
i thought everyone agreed that the 993 was the 'last true 911'... 
04-10-2018, 01:54 PM
#15
Three Wheelin'
Porsche always finds a way to play everyone. I've been on this earth for at least 40 years and when it comes to Porsches, there was always a 911 that fell under a "Last of the". lol