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Plus it keeps the rods happy with the later torque onset. I also hate the feeling boost tapering off in upper RPMs.
The rod safety that these turbos provide what appeals to me the most about these things. Being able to make big power and keep the rods safe is a win-win and id give up a little lag for more power + safety. A spicy k16 tune can make these cars feel like a V8 and thats not always a good thing.
I have a friend up near Lancaster, Ill have to take the TT out there end of this summer once I get back from my road trip.
I didn't touch on Turbos, but yes, I have some thoughts there as well. Both my 996 Turbos are running stock K16 Turbos, stock wastegates (but tightened adjuster rods), and custom tunes. One Cobb/Sam based, the other an older UWM/Kevin tune. I've driven a few different K24 996 Turbos recently.... They definitely have more top-end power and keep pulling longer, but they sacrifice that mid-range torque I absolutely love when driving twisties. Perhaps it's an altitude effect as well, but for my "Morning Twisties" use case, the K16's are the winner IMHO. Now maybe an upgraded BB 16/24 hybrid would give me best of both worlds, but I usually don't end a drive thinking "if only I had a bit more power.." Even these 23+ year old Turbos can spank pretty much anything else that comes along for a twisty drive, except the McLarens which are just in another league.
#1 I want your friends front GT2 bumper.
#2 These cars are very sensitive to setup, and some adjustable setups are far more sensitive to "clicks". My PSS9's, not nearly as sensitive as my MCS. I play with the MCS and the attitude of the car palpably changes
#3 You know where I am on K16 vs K24's. The K24's are the turbo's Porsche should've put on all of these, power dying off up top shows that the turbo choice is too small. You can adjust power delivery with gear choice. The K24's equal the K16's at 4000rpm and rocket away from there. Unless you're in a really low speed corner, the K16's aren't really better. I don't ever feel like my K24's don't have enough torque down low but up top they're epic.
You've got an expensive journey ahead of you in that case My car before the engine build at 710 whp was barely able to keep up in a straight line with a stock 720S. Every time I shift he'd jump out a car length or so and I'd reel him back in and have to shift again and start the process over. Those cars are monsters on road and track.
You've got an expensive journey ahead of you in that case My car before the engine build at 710 whp was barely able to keep up in a straight line with a stock 720S. Every time I shift he'd jump out a car length or so and I'd reel him back in and have to shift again and start the process over. Those cars are monsters on road and track.
For sure. My target when I started modding my car was to try to match a McLaren 675LT in performance on track and acceleration. Couldn't afford to buy one back then, lets try to make what we've got match one type of thing. I didn't respect how lofty that target was at the time, a stock 675LT on an r-comp is slightly faster than a heavily modded 997.2 Cup on slicks at one of the local tracks... Stock 720S on r-comp has recently beaten the fastest stock 991.2 Cup on slicks time at the same track. Driving one, especially on track, makes you feel like Iron Man in the high tech suit that lets you do incredible things that don't seem possible.
This would help offset some of the loss to the Mclaren's paddle shifting.
Yes, that would most certainly help.
I watch these guys do stage upgrades to the 991, and it is shocking how much can reliably be pulled out of that motor. Plus, the quickness of the pdk likely makes it a better candidate for making the McLaren pound sand.
I watch these guys do stage upgrades to the 991, and it is shocking how much can reliably be pulled out of that motor. Plus, the quickness of the pdk likely makes it a better candidate for making the McLaren pound sand.
A friend recently got tired of the McLarenness of his McLaren and went back to 991TT. Motec is on the way and building him a McLaren killer/DIY GT2RS.
For sure. My target when I started modding my car was to try to match a McLaren 675LT in performance on track and acceleration. Couldn't afford to buy one back then, lets try to make what we've got match one type of thing. I didn't respect how lofty that target was at the time, a stock 675LT on an r-comp is slightly faster than a heavily modded 997.2 Cup on slicks at one of the local tracks... Stock 720S on r-comp has recently beaten the fastest stock 991.2 Cup on slicks time at the same track. Driving one, especially on track, makes you feel like Iron Man in the high tech suit that lets you do incredible things that don't seem possible.
I have not driven a McLaren, but from a numbers perspective, they are most dominant.
After the reminder of my preferred driving style as I age (time over distance, high avg miles per hour), I am fairly certain that the McLaren would be lost on me.
I caught myself this morning eclipsing a very high rate of speed, comfortably, with no drama. Got me thinking, how much do I really need?
Area 27, to which I have been invited to, is really the only track of note in Canada, a couple of good ones south of me, and close to you.... But if I can extract immense enjoyment out of a 450 mile run, over the course of several hours, it's a hard sell to build a track ready car, especially because Montana exists and is just a few short hours away.
08-13-2024, 10:16 AM
My car before the engine build at 710 whp was barely able to keep up in a straight line with a stock 720S. Every time I shift he'd jump out a car length or so and I'd reel him back in and have to shift again and start the process over. Those cars are monsters on road and track.
