Today's Craigslist Finds...
06-15-2016, 07:29 PM
#1591
Rennlist Member
Another question is if you had two identical cars and one had no service history and one had full service history with recent IMS, RMS, Clutch and AOS, which one would you buy? Or more importantly, how much more would you pay? I'd put that at $2-3k in value.
06-15-2016, 07:47 PM
#1592
What inaccurate claims have been made? We have commented on the state of the car based on the information that you have provided either here or in the ad.
You are correct that looking at pictures and text is not going to give you the truest information about the car, but those are the hooks to get people's attention to look farther.
All the items that have been commented on are things your potential buyers are also going to think. For you to just blow off the concerns and questions as "inaccurate" is only shooting yourself in the foot if you really want to sell the car.
We also aren't new to the 996 world and know all of it's foibles. We also know well that many of the catastrophic failures happen with no warning what so ever. So saying that it's perfectly healthy when you haven't had it that long, haven't driven it that much, and have no history doesn't mean much.
Service history is key to know how the car has been treated and taken care of, especially a low milage car which have a loose correlation to some of these problems. Without the history people have to guess and given the cost of a M96, that's a hefty gamble so they are going to be concerned and question things.
You are correct that looking at pictures and text is not going to give you the truest information about the car, but those are the hooks to get people's attention to look farther.
All the items that have been commented on are things your potential buyers are also going to think. For you to just blow off the concerns and questions as "inaccurate" is only shooting yourself in the foot if you really want to sell the car.
We also aren't new to the 996 world and know all of it's foibles. We also know well that many of the catastrophic failures happen with no warning what so ever. So saying that it's perfectly healthy when you haven't had it that long, haven't driven it that much, and have no history doesn't mean much.
Service history is key to know how the car has been treated and taken care of, especially a low milage car which have a loose correlation to some of these problems. Without the history people have to guess and given the cost of a M96, that's a hefty gamble so they are going to be concerned and question things.
IF an AOS needs replaced it would smoke at certain times and there would be no suction when the oil cap was removed (which there is suction) and if there are no leaks from the water pump nor if the car does not run above normal temps, I fail to see that the water pump is failing.
The only item I know of to cause catastrophic damage with little warning is the IMS, but even with that you can look for metal in oil and do an oil analysis.
Just because I did not buy it from a private owner and was unable to get receipts from the last owner of 13 years prior, does not mean a car is in bad condition mechanically.
In response to the "full history question", you stated it would be 4-5k for a shop to do those items, but only makes the car worth 2-3k more. Same logic as buying an extended warranty. It's an EXTRA cost and does not come standard with most used vehicles.
It is not like most people here are "uninformed", it's more like they are "partially informed" or "misinformed".
06-15-2016, 07:52 PM
#1593
Race Director
If a car has recently had a s**t-ton of work done - especially before being listed for sale, I find myself wondering why. Maybe I'm too suspicious, but I know that most of us HATE selling cars we've just plowed money into, so when I see someone plow $8K of work into a $20K car and list it for $22K, I can't help but wonder what lake it was recently retrieved from.
06-15-2016, 07:55 PM
#1594
Race Director
You're welcome to talk crap about how uninformed RL members are, but maybe not in the same comment where you make it evident you don't know what you're talking about.
06-15-2016, 08:01 PM
#1595
Rennlist Member
Replacing your AOS and water pump every 50k miles or 3 years and replacing your IMS every 75k or 5 years comes from the most reputable M96 builder in the country.
AOS is the worst because only a few ml of water can kill the engine. Water pump impellers can deteriorate and send small plastic pieces through your engine. It's well documented what happens if you IMS completely fails between oil changes. If it's a $5k rebuild, then I agree, it's not worth the trouble. But at 3-5x that amount.
If you understand the risk involved and choose not to do the preventative maintenance then I can respect that. But you seem to know enough to sound very knowledgable to potential buyers and will come across as an "expert" even though what you are saying directly contradicts what the "experts" have stated.
Like I said, at 15k I would but your car. But mostly because I'm a sucker for aero kits. I would probably loose a couple of $k on resale due to salvage title but close enough.
Ok that horse is dead now. Sorry about that. I really do like horses.
AOS is the worst because only a few ml of water can kill the engine. Water pump impellers can deteriorate and send small plastic pieces through your engine. It's well documented what happens if you IMS completely fails between oil changes. If it's a $5k rebuild, then I agree, it's not worth the trouble. But at 3-5x that amount.
If you understand the risk involved and choose not to do the preventative maintenance then I can respect that. But you seem to know enough to sound very knowledgable to potential buyers and will come across as an "expert" even though what you are saying directly contradicts what the "experts" have stated.
Like I said, at 15k I would but your car. But mostly because I'm a sucker for aero kits. I would probably loose a couple of $k on resale due to salvage title but close enough.
Ok that horse is dead now. Sorry about that. I really do like horses.
06-15-2016, 09:17 PM
#1596
The same company that sells an IMS product they called the "solution" wants you to replace that product every 5 years? I know Flat 6 has some fanbois on here, along with some haters, but their numbers, IMS especially sound like a repair shop that makes a killing by dictating when or how often you should replace something, even if it is working fine.
06-15-2016, 09:22 PM
#1597
Nope. Completely incorrect. If there is some suction, it's working as expected. If it has too much suction, the AOS is shot.
You're welcome to talk crap about how uninformed RL members are, but maybe not in the same comment where you make it evident you don't know what you're talking about.
You're welcome to talk crap about how uninformed RL members are, but maybe not in the same comment where you make it evident you don't know what you're talking about.
Someone can buy the car and take it somewhere directly from where it is now and spend 5k on preventative items. That is their prerogative. Does it NEED that? I would argue NO.
06-15-2016, 09:46 PM
#1598
Rennlist Member
How many failed engines have you done root cause analysis on?
06-15-2016, 09:53 PM
#1599
The same company that sells an IMS product they called the "solution" wants you to replace that product every 5 years? I know Flat 6 has some fanbois on here, along with some haters, but their numbers, IMS especially sound like a repair shop that makes a killing by dictating when or how often you should replace something, even if it is working fine.
You are again showing you don't know as much as you want us to believe you do.
Jake developed the LN bearing options, but he does not sell them except as part of rebuilding a motor. Even then it's not a choice, you get the solution. Period. He has no dog in the race anymore other than believing in what he developed enough to bet his business and reputation on it.
Secondly, the "solution" does not have a replacement interval. It's the ball bearing options are the ones that need to be replaced periodically. The Solution is an oil fed plain bearing. Different fish.
06-15-2016, 10:44 PM
#1600
Rennlist Member
Something about ignorant jack assess accusing him of having ulterior motives so he just quit selling his inventions to the general public.
06-16-2016, 06:15 AM
#1601
Addict
Rennlist Member
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Is that yours? That thing is amazing looking. The '99 aero: The bottom line is at $15k, it is a good deal pending a proper PPI. I would buy that car. I would spend $800 to replace the AOS, water pump and add a spin on adapter and IMS guardian. I would be aware that at some point, the clutch, FW, IMS or RMS may need attention and it's probably best to do all of them at that time (unless FW doesn't need it.) But everything gnat just said I spot on. Your risk is increased significantly on a purchase like this.
06-16-2016, 09:01 AM
#1602
Rennlist Member
That's awesome. Best looking Boxster I've seen.
06-16-2016, 10:24 AM
#1603
Nordschleife Master
Last edited by ZuffenZeus; 06-16-2016 at 07:29 PM.
06-16-2016, 11:29 AM
#1604
Based on the option sticker (see below), the car came with standard leather seats (code#983).
From what I've seen in my search, when the painted back Sport Seats are installed at the factory, the middle console is usually painted to match and in this case, is does not because the console is obviously a darker gray metallic. (see second pic below)
From what I've seen in my search, when the painted back Sport Seats are installed at the factory, the middle console is usually painted to match and in this case, is does not because the console is obviously a darker gray metallic. (see second pic below)
