Hello OR Goodbye?
Drifting
Joined: Sep 2011
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From: Ephrata, PA, USA now. Originally from the UK
Speak your minds guys. You all sound like I do now. Lots of Hurdi Gurdis haha. Tell him to bugger off. Putting a Chevrolet engine into a Porsche body. Is the man crazy or what? Ferdinand will be rolling over in his grave. THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE.. what part of that statement does he not understand.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Jul 2011
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From: Oakville, Canada
Well, it's his car, so he can do anything he wants with it.
Remeber when folks were on your case with the decals? It's your car, so you can do anything you want with it, and I applaud the freedom of choice we all have with our own properties!!
Remeber when folks were on your case with the decals? It's your car, so you can do anything you want with it, and I applaud the freedom of choice we all have with our own properties!!
Drifting
Joined: Oct 2011
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From: Texas
And, to the OP:
Relax, no one here is being hostile. Just IMSB weary. I say if you want to take on the project, go for it and have fun. You may find some of the tech posts/info more to your liking at Renntech.org, another great forum that most here also read.
Relax, no one here is being hostile. Just IMSB weary. I say if you want to take on the project, go for it and have fun. You may find some of the tech posts/info more to your liking at Renntech.org, another great forum that most here also read.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Jun 2003
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From: Overland Park, KS
Oh, and by the way, Captain, US Navy (Retired). I spent 23 years (as an aviator, not a lawyer) defending your right to free speech, Master Sergeant. Feel free to exercise that right, just don't whine when others use it to disagree.
Racer
Joined: Feb 2010
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From: SF Bay Area, CA
I never saw the OP's comments as whining. He didn't understand why this group of 996 owners had never undertaken an organized IMSB survey.
I wonder too. Seems to me we have a handful of whiners here who want to control the content posted rather than let others post their relevant 996 experience.
The very first sticky on the 997 board is an IMSB survey. Supposedly, the 997's have an improved IMSB, but the 997 board thinks the IMSB issue is worthy of being the number 1 sticky. Different logic dictates here though.
And kattorney; that was a truly classless post to pull rank on an enlisted guy that way. You are probably alive today thanks to the skills of a guy like him.
I wonder too. Seems to me we have a handful of whiners here who want to control the content posted rather than let others post their relevant 996 experience.
The very first sticky on the 997 board is an IMSB survey. Supposedly, the 997's have an improved IMSB, but the 997 board thinks the IMSB issue is worthy of being the number 1 sticky. Different logic dictates here though.
And kattorney; that was a truly classless post to pull rank on an enlisted guy that way. You are probably alive today thanks to the skills of a guy like him.
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Rennlist Member
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From: Overland Park, KS
Sorry if it came across as pulling rank. In the Navy, we have incredible respect for our Chiefs (equivalent to a Master Sergeant). Our Chiefs are the backbone of the Navy, and we simply couldn't operate without them. Calling someone a Chief in the Navy is not a sign of disrespect, and quite the opposite of pulling rank, it is a reminder of the special status of the position that person has earned. IMHO, complaining about having your freedom of speech rights violated on an Internet forum calls for a little reality check.
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Rennlist Member
Joined: Jan 2010
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From: Kansas City
WOW!!!! That's a very broad statement and completely inaccurate. You will find a wide variety of Porsche owners, racers, and wrenchers on this site. You know what we all have in common? We love Porsche's. Don't start out by polarizing yourself and making assumptions. Tell us about your build. We would be glad to read, listen, ask and assist in your progress.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Feb 2012
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From: Tampa, Fl
Cefalu, there HAVE been IMS polls and surveys on the 996 forum before...(search is your friend....https://rennlist.com/forums/996-foru...s-failure.html) to that point, if you go through the 997's, you get a lot of bad information...there are plenty of guys with 997.2's on there reporting no IMS issues...well, that's because after 2009 it became a moot point...so the first thing you see there is a survey that might make them feel good, but it's full of bad data (i.e. anyone with a 997.2 that has posted a response...no disrespect to the 997 guys at all, just pointing out the obvious). No one is controlling content, they are just pointing out there is no reason to start a new thread about something that has already been done many many many many many times.
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Racer
Joined: Feb 2010
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From: SF Bay Area, CA
That poll lasted 2 weeks and took place back in 2009. It was not a meaningful source of information.
Since this site is arguably the largest collection of 996 owners under one roof, it is probably the only place you could ever gather enough data to reach any kind of conclusion, besides Porsche themselves who have never released any statistics.
So it's either here, or not at all. Of course a survey will be subject to errors, all you can do is design a survey that will attempt to minimize the errors. But just because you can't do it perfectly, does not mean you shouldn't try to do the best you can and see what you get.
The problem I have with the IMSB info here is it is so disorganized. Sure you can do a search, but you could literally spend days going through the results.
And I do feel some entitlement to this issue as I have been one of the handful of owners on this board to actually change their IMSB themselves. It's not an academic discussion to me.
Since this site is arguably the largest collection of 996 owners under one roof, it is probably the only place you could ever gather enough data to reach any kind of conclusion, besides Porsche themselves who have never released any statistics.
So it's either here, or not at all. Of course a survey will be subject to errors, all you can do is design a survey that will attempt to minimize the errors. But just because you can't do it perfectly, does not mean you shouldn't try to do the best you can and see what you get.
The problem I have with the IMSB info here is it is so disorganized. Sure you can do a search, but you could literally spend days going through the results.
And I do feel some entitlement to this issue as I have been one of the handful of owners on this board to actually change their IMSB themselves. It's not an academic discussion to me.
Rennlist Member
Joined: Dec 2009
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From: Deep in the Heart of Texas
So let's say you do a survey and get a bunch of responses - now what? What do you think you are going to do with that info? We all know there are problems and what the solutions are. Do we need a survey? Do you think PCNA will suddenly react due to your survey? You won't get anywhere with the data that you can't already get with a simple search, unless your goal is to scare prospective owners even more and drive the price of your car further down.
The issue I have with the OP is his ridiculous insult of the people here who don't agree with him that this is critical. After 2 weeks of ownership I wouldn't exactly classify him as a qualified Porsche source like I do many of the other people who post helpful info here.
The issue I have with the OP is his ridiculous insult of the people here who don't agree with him that this is critical. After 2 weeks of ownership I wouldn't exactly classify him as a qualified Porsche source like I do many of the other people who post helpful info here.
Instructor
Joined: Nov 2012
Posts: 179
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From: Ft Worth, TX
I agree with Cefalu. While it may not solve any issues, it centralizes something that I've seen many people ask for in my short time here. What does it hurt?
Marc, can you sticky a Poll like on the 997 board?
Marc, can you sticky a Poll like on the 997 board?
Racer
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 279
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From: SF Bay Area, CA
An IMSB survey could not address solutions. It could only address how widespread IMSB failure's actually are. I believe the rate of IMSB failures is probably lower than than the hysteria here would lead a person to believe.
If we have an actuary on the list, their input would help. Short of a statistician, the average Joe blowhard bellowing on is useless rambling.
If we have an actuary on the list, their input would help. Short of a statistician, the average Joe blowhard bellowing on is useless rambling.
Racer
Joined: Feb 2010
Posts: 279
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From: SF Bay Area, CA
Oh, and I do think that the OP, while he may have been missing a Porsche ascot around his neck, had a lot to bring to the table. I was looking forward to his M96 teardown and V8 swap.
Let's not be delusional about the 996's. They have been relegated to 914 status, and being the faithful custodian of the 996 pedigree is not for everyone.
I was particularly interested to see his perspective on the 996 as an aviation mechanic.
Let's not be delusional about the 996's. They have been relegated to 914 status, and being the faithful custodian of the 996 pedigree is not for everyone.
I was particularly interested to see his perspective on the 996 as an aviation mechanic.