Sad day... Oil under the car...
#31
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Wow! Scaremongering much? Jump to the extreme conclusion with only a vague description and no photos? What's wrong, is business light and you need to drum up some more? Honestly, a more calm and rational approach is more called for!
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
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Wow! Scaremongering much? Jump to the extreme conclusion with only a vague description and no photos? What's wrong, is business light and you need to drum up some more? Honestly, a more calm and rational approach is more called for!
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
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If you are doing an IMS Bearing you can make your own tool, thats what I did.
I just did very similar maint to my C4S. Clutch started slipping so I got my local porsche dealership to drop off a new oem sachs clutch kit, pilot bearing, throwout bearing guide tube, pressure plate bolts, flywheel bolts, rear main seal, IMS Bearing, associated hardware for the IMS bearing.
I went OEM Porsche for everything because I wanted to have it finished same day, so I wasn't able to wait around for am LN retrofit etc. My buddy and I got it into the shop on Saturday night. I have never pulled a tranny on a porsche, but my buddy and I reviewed the diagrams and instructions on Mitchell, AllData, and Porsche before starting. Having a lift was quite beneficial, we had every thing pulled and cleaned in under 3 hours. Ended up the fly wheel was in good shape so no need for replacement right now, then reassembled it monday morning right after Porsche delivered my parts in another few hours.
It is very strait forward, basically remove anything attached or in the way of the transmission, unbolt, drop tranny, replace parts and reassemble the reverse of the removal. The same basic concepts hold true with a tranny and clutch R & R for every manual car, if it is a honda civic, a Nissan 240, a heavy duty ford truck etc.
I just did very similar maint to my C4S. Clutch started slipping so I got my local porsche dealership to drop off a new oem sachs clutch kit, pilot bearing, throwout bearing guide tube, pressure plate bolts, flywheel bolts, rear main seal, IMS Bearing, associated hardware for the IMS bearing.
I went OEM Porsche for everything because I wanted to have it finished same day, so I wasn't able to wait around for am LN retrofit etc. My buddy and I got it into the shop on Saturday night. I have never pulled a tranny on a porsche, but my buddy and I reviewed the diagrams and instructions on Mitchell, AllData, and Porsche before starting. Having a lift was quite beneficial, we had every thing pulled and cleaned in under 3 hours. Ended up the fly wheel was in good shape so no need for replacement right now, then reassembled it monday morning right after Porsche delivered my parts in another few hours.
It is very strait forward, basically remove anything attached or in the way of the transmission, unbolt, drop tranny, replace parts and reassemble the reverse of the removal. The same basic concepts hold true with a tranny and clutch R & R for every manual car, if it is a honda civic, a Nissan 240, a heavy duty ford truck etc.
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Wow! Scaremongering much? Jump to the extreme conclusion with only a vague description and no photos? What's wrong, is business light and you need to drum up some more? Honestly, a more calm and rational approach is more called for!
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
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Jake's advice on not to start the engine without further diagnosis is valuable - but I also see "Well Ard's" point that there are other potential causes here are may not be IMS. The posters that suggested we need some pictures and advice on checking oil/filter for metal are good. If it was me - and I was close to needing new clutch anyway - I would probably flat bed the car to an Indie for expert opinion and do the IMS while I was in there anyway. Guy's let's try to keep it civil ! My '02 has RMS leak in 2006 - and the seal was replaced by dealer under warranty. No leaks since then. No new IMS either. But $500 for IMSB is still cheap insurance compared to new engine if you are going to do the clutch / seal anyway. To keep it in perspective - I'm sure ~95% our cars are still out there running fine on original IMS. As far as I can tell from this BBS (and also looking at various IMSB removed by local Indie), cars that had spent extended time in storage and/or lack of regular oil changes seem to be more prone to the problem. I'd like to see an analysis of all the IMSB's removed and service/mileage history of the cars that are showing the most bearing wear - that might be valuable data to look at - on the other hand it might not show us anything conclusive either. Until the the debate will continue
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#39
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Wow didn't think that this thread was going to turn into this haha!
Well I will take pictures tomorrow morning and post when I get home. Hopefully this will shine some light on the problem. I am also going to drain the oil and do an oil change. I will see if there is any ferrous material in the filter.
Jake: I have an IMS Guardian installed. It has not alerted or changed in anyway.
So for those of you who are curious, we will see if I do have an IMS problem and if the IMS Guardian detected it.
Well I will take pictures tomorrow morning and post when I get home. Hopefully this will shine some light on the problem. I am also going to drain the oil and do an oil change. I will see if there is any ferrous material in the filter.
Jake: I have an IMS Guardian installed. It has not alerted or changed in anyway.
So for those of you who are curious, we will see if I do have an IMS problem and if the IMS Guardian detected it.
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Wow! Scaremongering much? Jump to the extreme conclusion with only a vague description and no photos? What's wrong, is business light and you need to drum up some more? Honestly, a more calm and rational approach is more called for!
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
Unlike some would like the OP to believe, an IMS failure is NOT lurking around the corner to get every 996.
What BS!!!!
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Wow didn't think that this thread was going to turn into this haha!
Well I will take pictures tomorrow morning and post when I get home. Hopefully this will shine some light on the problem. I am also going to drain the oil and do an oil change. I will see if there is any ferrous material in the filter.
Jake: I have an IMS Guardian installed. It has not alerted or changed in anyway.
So for those of you who are curious, we will see if I do have an IMS problem and if the IMS Guardian detected it.
Well I will take pictures tomorrow morning and post when I get home. Hopefully this will shine some light on the problem. I am also going to drain the oil and do an oil change. I will see if there is any ferrous material in the filter.
Jake: I have an IMS Guardian installed. It has not alerted or changed in anyway.
So for those of you who are curious, we will see if I do have an IMS problem and if the IMS Guardian detected it.
Damn, you have a Guardian!? Jake, I sure hope your hunch is wrong!!!
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Philip, best of luck with the car. I'm sure the leak is a very minor issue. Don't believe the hype!!!
#43
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Wow the man most capable of helping the OP of this thread through a potentially devastating problem that he is looking for advice on how to proceed. You make false accusations indicating this man is purely interested in his own personal gain when the OP has already stated he intends to fix the car himself or take it to a independent shop in CA where he lives. So Jake Raby has no chance at the labor & since he no longer distributes the IMSB the OP planned to install eventually anyway exactlly what is the ulterior motive? Maybe he is trying to remember why he pays to be a sponser on this forum? You owe the OP of this thread an apology for convincing the #1 man in the world most capable of helping him that it is not worth wasting his time on. How much longer will Jake Raby continue to risk offering invaluable information for free to those that need it? ![banghead](https://rennlist.com/forums/graemlins/banghead.gif)
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Guys, I have to say I don't see where Jake has labeled this as an IMS catastrophe. He states that it could be, but that is kind of like saying that there may be a tornado heading someones direction so take cover. I think Jake is taking the right approach and not necessarily creating fear but telling the OP that he should act as if this is worst case scenario in preparation for what could be an IMS failure situation.
I myself would rather be overly cautious in this situation and think the worst but hope for the best.
I myself would rather be overly cautious in this situation and think the worst but hope for the best.
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Drifting
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Guys, I have to say I don't see where Jake has labeled this as an IMS catastrophe. He states that it could be, but that is kind of like saying that there may be a tornado heading someones direction so take cover. I think Jake is taking the right approach and not necessarily creating fear but telling the OP that he should act as if this is worst case scenario in preparation for what could be an IMS failure situation.
I myself would rather be overly cautious in this situation and think the worst but hope for the best.
I myself would rather be overly cautious in this situation and think the worst but hope for the best.
Really??? What are the odds of this guy's **** blowing upon start-up??? I have never heard of this, have you?
I think the term alarmist is giving Jake the benefit of the doubt...