Just finished IMS Guardian Install!
#31
Former Vendor
Sorry guys but theres no logic in this.
The logic that has lead to hundreds of units selling thus far (we are almost out of stock AGAIN!) is the following:
- The IMSG can be installed quickly and easily as a DIY.
- There is no removal of a transaxle required.
- Even if a shop is contracted to do this work its a 150.00 expense to do the job due to the simplicity of the system and how well we have developed the product.
- The system allows constant monitoring of the engine while in operation.
- Those that don't wish to apply the IMSR can utilize the Guardian for security.
- Those who apply the IMSR or already have it gain added scurity against other modes of failure since the IMSG monitors EVERY ferrous component within the engine. Changing the IMS bearing addresses one mode of the 23 modes of failure. The IMSG monitors 8 more modes of common failure. They may not be as well known, but do exist and are monitored by the system.
Spend $500 for a warning system or spend a little more and fix it yourself, which is not much harder than a clutch install.
It almost sounds like 996 owners are falling for the latest "must buy gadget" wether its a CAI, tuner, or fuel saver device gizmo.
The best part about all of this is that none of us have to agree if the system is necessary or not, but I think we will all agree that having security options is refreshing.
Oh and before you bash me as just another dupe, my brother competed and went to nationals in mechanics competitions and I went to state. Collectively, we probably have about $30K or $40K just in hand tools, including a 4 bay shop just for personal, not business use.
And now a quote from Edison that I hold very near and dear:
"Anything that won't sell, I don't want to invent. Its sale is proof of utility, and utility is success."
300 IMSG units sold in just over 18 hours without a single advertisement being made. I believe that those sales are also the proof of the system's utility.
I'll close by saying that the IMSG actually began development BEFORE the IMS Retrofit was available. It took many months to perfect the retrofit and that pulled time from the IMSG perfection. Prior to the IMSR being a possibility there was no use in the IMSG existing because the IMS Bearing was said to be "non-serviceable" by the manufacturer. I proved that wrong when my hands extracted the first one utilizing an improvised puller made from junk laying around the shop.
#32
Jake, I congratulate you on your business acumen and ability to develop and market a product but I think you prove my points.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you dont know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you dont know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
#34
sounds like a winner but I have to agree with the other poster, putting off the IMS upgrade seems foolhardy. I can't really think of many other gambles that can end up being so costly. Whenever I read about a new owner wanting to spend on x,y,z mods I scratch my head.
Is there a benefit to those who have already done the IMS upgrade? I wonder about what else is lurking in there. Having just spent ~10K on some fixes, updates, uprgrades, etc. for a car whose book value is not far from that amount I guess I'm in for the long haul now. Not that I mind, despite having the typical disconnected feel of a modern Pcar, it does what it does perfectly. Not going to get something better at these used prices.
Btw, the original IMS was pristine but you don't wait til you seem them cockaroaches until you start fumigatin'.
Is there a benefit to those who have already done the IMS upgrade? I wonder about what else is lurking in there. Having just spent ~10K on some fixes, updates, uprgrades, etc. for a car whose book value is not far from that amount I guess I'm in for the long haul now. Not that I mind, despite having the typical disconnected feel of a modern Pcar, it does what it does perfectly. Not going to get something better at these used prices.
Btw, the original IMS was pristine but you don't wait til you seem them cockaroaches until you start fumigatin'.
#35
Former Vendor
Jake, I congratulate you on your business acumen and ability to develop and market a product but I think you prove my points.
I believe that your post may have characterized you as an individual, but I believe that your 996 peers will not agree with this post any more than I have.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you dont know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars.
They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy
Yet again, this is all opinion and no hard feelings if we disagree.
#36
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Mine Installed Also
After reading all of the pro and con IMSG posts and seeing my car was up at the FSI Skunkworks anyway and I am totally mechanically disinclined, I asked them if they would install it for me. They were happy to do so. Photos of the installation are (I hope) attached. Not only did the do the work, they sent it back to me attached to a 3.8 Stage II motor!! They can't be all that bad, now can they? https://rennlist.com/forums/images/icons/icon12.gif
Hoping to share my experiences with the new motor as I get some miles on it, change & test the oil and take it to Sebring in December.
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Hoping to share my experiences with the new motor as I get some miles on it, change & test the oil and take it to Sebring in December.
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#38
Jake, I congratulate you on your business acumen and ability to develop and market a product but I think you prove my points.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you dont know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you dont know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
According to you.
LOL.
Everyone can have an opinion.
Why do you see that the IMSG only relative to the IMS bearing???.
#39
I have to disagree with Krazy K's logic. After all,
I am a human being but I pay doctors to keep me well.
I have dogs but I pay veterinarians to keep them well.
I own a house but I pay contractors, electricians and plumbers to work on it.
I own clothes but I sometimes pay dry cleaners to care for them.
Why wouldn't I pay someone more experienced and more knowledgeable to take care of my Porsche?
Besides, if Porsche ownership was limited to people with the knowledge, facilities, skills, tools and reference materials to repair and maintain them, Porsche would have gone out of business during the 356 model run. Then again, if that had happened there would be no 996s and therefore no IMS bearing issues.
I am a human being but I pay doctors to keep me well.
I have dogs but I pay veterinarians to keep them well.
I own a house but I pay contractors, electricians and plumbers to work on it.
I own clothes but I sometimes pay dry cleaners to care for them.
Why wouldn't I pay someone more experienced and more knowledgeable to take care of my Porsche?
Besides, if Porsche ownership was limited to people with the knowledge, facilities, skills, tools and reference materials to repair and maintain them, Porsche would have gone out of business during the 356 model run. Then again, if that had happened there would be no 996s and therefore no IMS bearing issues.
#42
Racer
Thread Starter
KrazyK get off your high horse.
I get it, you and your brother have tons of tools and 4 lifts for personal use. Woo hoo...
All Porsche owners need to own a service manual and learn how to use it blah blah...
Seriously man, if it was up to you and your gestapo porsche owners rules, none of us would own one.
And judging by your 40th anniversary thread, you're a big time n00b yourself. Going back and forth, any qualified body shop would be able to see why it was repainted and check for bondo and crash information. Maybe you should read a body shops service manual and know that thing inside and out too.
I get it, you and your brother have tons of tools and 4 lifts for personal use. Woo hoo...
All Porsche owners need to own a service manual and learn how to use it blah blah...
Seriously man, if it was up to you and your gestapo porsche owners rules, none of us would own one.
And judging by your 40th anniversary thread, you're a big time n00b yourself. Going back and forth, any qualified body shop would be able to see why it was repainted and check for bondo and crash information. Maybe you should read a body shops service manual and know that thing inside and out too.
#43
OK, Phil,
Guess you didnt read the post right. You calleded me the n00b because I found the repaint in 30 seconds and the Porsche tech missed it completely? Hope you dont do your own work.
Guess you didnt read the post right. You calleded me the n00b because I found the repaint in 30 seconds and the Porsche tech missed it completely? Hope you dont do your own work.
#44
Racer
Thread Starter
You're replying to a thread where I just stated I did my own work. Way to notice.
Second, you don't even own a 996 yet do you? Do you even own a porsche?
Second, you don't even own a 996 yet do you? Do you even own a porsche?
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Jake, I congratulate you on your business acumen and ability to develop and market a product but I think you prove my points.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you don't know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
A. The 996 aging platform is not meant to be a DD.
B. If you don't know how to work on / are not willing to learn how to work on the 996, you have no business owning one.
C. A 996 owner (or any model) should have the complete service manual(s) and learn to use it (them). If your not willing to read, once again, you have no business owning a Porsche.
Sorry but thats just the facts for any Porsche. They were never meant to be DD cars. They are specialty vehicles and not for the mechanically disadvantaged or lazy.
That is a remarkable post....
Quite presumptuous telling people what they may or may not have the "business" to own.