Possible Leverage for failed IMS/engine replacement
07-21-2011, 08:23 PM
#16
I tried to compile data in Soloporsche forum
We have more than 60 engine blown documented from Soloporsche users.
But after discuss it deeply, look through internet, talk to specialist, engineers from Porsche motorsport, nobody knows about any percentage
It happens.... that's all
One of the things I discovered was that there are no IMS failures documented in any Porsche forum concerning to m97 engines with reinforced bearing/shaft with larger diameter. I don't know if they could fail. I'm not an expert but I searched it and nobody knew about any case
I found several blown engines MY08 due to cilinder crack
We have more than 60 engine blown documented from Soloporsche users.
But after discuss it deeply, look through internet, talk to specialist, engineers from Porsche motorsport, nobody knows about any percentage
It happens.... that's all
One of the things I discovered was that there are no IMS failures documented in any Porsche forum concerning to m97 engines with reinforced bearing/shaft with larger diameter. I don't know if they could fail. I'm not an expert but I searched it and nobody knew about any case
I found several blown engines MY08 due to cilinder crack
07-22-2011, 09:33 AM
#18
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I would guess that the number of IMS issues increase as the cars get older.
So for me the IMS upgrade was a simple way to address the issue and I needed a new clutch and RMS anyway.
I do not believe it is a mass problem with xx% of all car having IMS failure but maybe it will be with the cars getting older. It seems that people have no problem doing regular maint on their car, i.e. belts, AOS, water pump, plugs....I think we should just look at replacing the IMS as scheduled maint like a clutch. IMHO
So for me the IMS upgrade was a simple way to address the issue and I needed a new clutch and RMS anyway.
I do not believe it is a mass problem with xx% of all car having IMS failure but maybe it will be with the cars getting older. It seems that people have no problem doing regular maint on their car, i.e. belts, AOS, water pump, plugs....I think we should just look at replacing the IMS as scheduled maint like a clutch. IMHO
07-22-2011, 10:27 PM
#20
Race Director
I'll throw your own comments back at you.
If you have some evidence to the contrary, post it.
Otherwise, perhaps you should bow out gracefully
07-22-2011, 11:23 PM
#21
Burning Brakes
07-23-2011, 06:39 AM
#22
Drifting
Unless someone starts a "Pics of chicks in bikinis with the perfectly fine IMSB that I removed from my car" thread, I seriously doubt this topic will give me a hard on.Our very own resident Messiah on this topic has stated on several occasions that many engine failures are blamed on the IMSB when in fact the actual cause was not the bearing. I'd be willing to bet that out of 50 failures blamed on the IMSB, a number of them have been misdiagnosed. Care to wager, say $1000.00?
BTW, why are you posting here? Do you have a normally aspirated M96/M97 engine. Are you thinking of purchasing one in the future?
As far as bowing out gracefully, I think not.
07-23-2011, 06:59 AM
#23
Drifting
^^^+1^^^
Given the proliferation of these types of threads on this subject and the ridiculous numbers and percentages of failures thrown out there by some, there should be many 996 rollers for sale. The prohibitively high cost to replace a grenaded engine, especially when considered as a percentage of the value of the repaired car, should guarantee that there would be a steady supply of rollers out there, if in fact IMSB failure is as big an issue as some would have you believe.
I'd like to buy a 996 roller, yet I am unable to locate a single one for sale. Something does not add up here.
Given the proliferation of these types of threads on this subject and the ridiculous numbers and percentages of failures thrown out there by some, there should be many 996 rollers for sale. The prohibitively high cost to replace a grenaded engine, especially when considered as a percentage of the value of the repaired car, should guarantee that there would be a steady supply of rollers out there, if in fact IMSB failure is as big an issue as some would have you believe.
I'd like to buy a 996 roller, yet I am unable to locate a single one for sale. Something does not add up here.
07-23-2011, 07:54 AM
#24
^^^ go away you have yet to little more then badger people, my suggestion is you don't replace your bearing,problem solved! What other people do with their own cars is not you concern. I think I see the problem, as to why this bothers you so much. 801 post and you still haven't cut loose with some cash for a membership? Cheapskate?
07-23-2011, 11:51 AM
#25
Race Director
Unless someone starts a "Pics of chicks in bikinis with the perfectly fine IMSB that I removed from my car" thread, I seriously doubt this topic will give me a hard on.Our very own resident Messiah on this topic has stated on several occasions that many engine failures are blamed on the IMSB when in fact the actual cause was not the bearing. I'd be willing to bet that out of 50 failures blamed on the IMSB, a number of them have been misdiagnosed. Care to wager, say $1000.00?
BTW, why are you posting here? Do you have a normally aspirated M96/M97 engine. Are you thinking of purchasing one in the future?
As far as bowing out gracefully, I think not.
Why am I posting here? specifically to **** you off, generally because I enjoy talking about the mechanical nature of engines, which just so happen to be attached to porsches in this case. I didn't realize one needed to own a m96/7 or want to buy one in order to post here.
^^^+1^^^
Given the proliferation of these types of threads on this subject and the ridiculous numbers and percentages of failures thrown out there by some, there should be many 996 rollers for sale. The prohibitively high cost to replace a grenaded engine, especially when considered as a percentage of the value of the repaired car, should guarantee that there would be a steady supply of rollers out there, if in fact IMSB failure is as big an issue as some would have you believe.
I'd like to buy a 996 roller, yet I am unable to locate a single one for sale. Something does not add up here.
Given the proliferation of these types of threads on this subject and the ridiculous numbers and percentages of failures thrown out there by some, there should be many 996 rollers for sale. The prohibitively high cost to replace a grenaded engine, especially when considered as a percentage of the value of the repaired car, should guarantee that there would be a steady supply of rollers out there, if in fact IMSB failure is as big an issue as some would have you believe.
I'd like to buy a 996 roller, yet I am unable to locate a single one for sale. Something does not add up here.
now THATs ridiculous
07-24-2011, 01:18 AM
#26
Drifting
^^^ go away you have yet to little more then badger people, my suggestion is you don't replace your bearing,problem solved! What other people do with their own cars is not you concern. I think I see the problem, as to why this bothers you so much. 801 post and you still haven't cut loose with some cash for a membership? Cheapskate?
I am not badgering anyone and I WILL NOT replace my bearing. I couldn't care less if other 996 owners replace their bearing or not. I simply do not like all the B.S. that is spewed on this forum about this topic by certain people who either have a conflict of interest or are trying to make themselves feel better after spending their hard earned cash to replace a perfectly fine bearing.
07-24-2011, 01:22 AM
#27
Drifting
Sure, I'll bet $1000...now, about proving that...you've got diddly, I've got diddly. In other words, you have no clue how those engines failed. Why would this gentlemen lie? Nevertheless, a failed engine is a failed engine...and whether its an ims bearing or not, you're still screwed.
Why am I posting here? specifically to **** you off, generally because I enjoy talking about the mechanical nature of engines, which just so happen to be attached to porsches in this case. I didn't realize one needed to own a m96/7 or want to buy one in order to post here.
You say percentages are ridiculous...and your reasoning for why they are ridiculous is because you haven't found a roller yet.
now THATs ridiculous
Why am I posting here? specifically to **** you off, generally because I enjoy talking about the mechanical nature of engines, which just so happen to be attached to porsches in this case. I didn't realize one needed to own a m96/7 or want to buy one in order to post here.
You say percentages are ridiculous...and your reasoning for why they are ridiculous is because you haven't found a roller yet.
now THATs ridiculous
07-24-2011, 07:37 AM
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Hi.
I am brand new to this site, and I did not go to bed last night with a potential IMS faiure hanging over my head. My '03 996 C-2 with only 18k miles is at my Porsche dealer where I will hear today if the scary noise is IMS related or not. If an IMS bearing failure is the case, my question is how many owners out there have had Porsche stand behind there product with a replacement engine? Even though it's an out-of-warranty case, any truly reputable manufacturer would still make it right. I know many may want to post the "you are dreaming...." reply, and perhaps this is the case. But I would prefer to proceed with my Porsche-positive attitude and give them every opportunity to make this right and maintain me as a Porsche customer for life.
So if your Porsche has suffered an IMS failure and Porsche has taken care of it (remember, in an out-of-warranty scenario), please post a reply. That would be very helpful.
Thabk you.
I am brand new to this site, and I did not go to bed last night with a potential IMS faiure hanging over my head. My '03 996 C-2 with only 18k miles is at my Porsche dealer where I will hear today if the scary noise is IMS related or not. If an IMS bearing failure is the case, my question is how many owners out there have had Porsche stand behind there product with a replacement engine? Even though it's an out-of-warranty case, any truly reputable manufacturer would still make it right. I know many may want to post the "you are dreaming...." reply, and perhaps this is the case. But I would prefer to proceed with my Porsche-positive attitude and give them every opportunity to make this right and maintain me as a Porsche customer for life.
So if your Porsche has suffered an IMS failure and Porsche has taken care of it (remember, in an out-of-warranty scenario), please post a reply. That would be very helpful.
Thabk you.
