I bought it -- I drove it -- I crashed it
01-12-2011 | 07:39 PM
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I'm glad you are O.K. but you have to admit, not the best series of decision-making....
1. There was 4" of snow already on the ground and you took the Porsche out anyway? (was this your only option for transportation? Could the meeting have been postponed or could you have called into the meeting?).
2. I assume the forecast was for continued snow (looks like it was still snowing at the time of the accident) and you still decided to take the chance?
1. There was 4" of snow already on the ground and you took the Porsche out anyway? (was this your only option for transportation? Could the meeting have been postponed or could you have called into the meeting?).
2. I assume the forecast was for continued snow (looks like it was still snowing at the time of the accident) and you still decided to take the chance?
To those that question the decision to take the Porsche out in the snow, I'd say rubbish. Larry had an accident and they do occasionally happen even when piloting an SUV with snow tires down the road.
I've used my C2 as a daily driver through every Chicago winter up until I moved last December. With snow tires the 996 C2 is eminently capable in the snow (yes even fairly deep snow) and served me very well in that capacity.
In addition to utility my C2 was an absolute blast to pilot in the snow. In fact if it did snow, I'd usually find an excuse to get it out on the road rather than keep it in the garage.
Just my $0.02
I've used my C2 as a daily driver through every Chicago winter up until I moved last December. With snow tires the 996 C2 is eminently capable in the snow (yes even fairly deep snow) and served me very well in that capacity.
In addition to utility my C2 was an absolute blast to pilot in the snow. In fact if it did snow, I'd usually find an excuse to get it out on the road rather than keep it in the garage.
Just my $0.02
01-12-2011 | 07:43 PM
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Either fortunately or unfortunately, the decision to total the car is not mine, but the insurance company's. I am going to pay the price on so many levels here. BTW, wifey and I decided to get a divorce about 6 months ago. Couldn't help myself, so I bought the Porsche. She has been very unsympathetic about anything since. She won't even sit in the car, and at every juncture complains about how much the car is costing. So . . . . she considers this vindication - she was right all along, the Porsche is a problem that will sink me.
There is likely no way of knowing upfront what the insurance company will offer me for the car until they decide to total it - then they will give me a price. I have negotiated with insurance companies in the past - unfortunately - on a total. They are pretty unmovable (in my experience.) But, I will have to face that one when it comes. Right now, anticipating that they will offer me something in the mid-20's, I am all over getting it fixed, and driving it for the next 3 years or so, till I can afford to sell this one - or trade it in - and get a different 996, or by that time - a 997.
There is likely no way of knowing upfront what the insurance company will offer me for the car until they decide to total it - then they will give me a price. I have negotiated with insurance companies in the past - unfortunately - on a total. They are pretty unmovable (in my experience.) But, I will have to face that one when it comes. Right now, anticipating that they will offer me something in the mid-20's, I am all over getting it fixed, and driving it for the next 3 years or so, till I can afford to sell this one - or trade it in - and get a different 996, or by that time - a 997.
Once again, glad you're OK...
01-12-2011 | 08:13 PM
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Either fortunately or unfortunately, the decision to total the car is not mine, but the insurance company's. I am going to pay the price on so many levels here. BTW, wifey and I decided to get a divorce about 6 months ago. Couldn't help myself, so I bought the Porsche. She has been very unsympathetic about anything since. She won't even sit in the car, and at every juncture complains about how much the car is costing. So . . . . she considers this vindication - she was right all along, the Porsche is a problem that will sink me.
There is likely no way of knowing upfront what the insurance company will offer me for the car until they decide to total it - then they will give me a price. I have negotiated with insurance companies in the past - unfortunately - on a total. They are pretty unmovable (in my experience.) But, I will have to face that one when it comes. Right now, anticipating that they will offer me something in the mid-20's, I am all over getting it fixed, and driving it for the next 3 years or so, till I can afford to sell this one - or trade it in - and get a different 996, or by that time - a 997.
In the meantime, the ribs are sore, but not too bad. It is mostly my feelings that have been hurt. I learned how to drive in the snow over 40 years ago, and have fought more than one car out of a slide/fishtail/slippery braking over the years. With that, I got a bit too cocky, and thought "hey, I'm a skilled winter driver, I can handle this" NOT. So, learned a big lesson. Right now, the insurance company is saying that they won't get a chance to look at the car and have an estimate on the repairs till beginning of next week. (sigh) won't have any answers till then.
To be honest, I am just glad that I came through this with only sore ribs. This could have been disastrous on so many different levels.
larry
There is likely no way of knowing upfront what the insurance company will offer me for the car until they decide to total it - then they will give me a price. I have negotiated with insurance companies in the past - unfortunately - on a total. They are pretty unmovable (in my experience.) But, I will have to face that one when it comes. Right now, anticipating that they will offer me something in the mid-20's, I am all over getting it fixed, and driving it for the next 3 years or so, till I can afford to sell this one - or trade it in - and get a different 996, or by that time - a 997.
In the meantime, the ribs are sore, but not too bad. It is mostly my feelings that have been hurt. I learned how to drive in the snow over 40 years ago, and have fought more than one car out of a slide/fishtail/slippery braking over the years. With that, I got a bit too cocky, and thought "hey, I'm a skilled winter driver, I can handle this" NOT. So, learned a big lesson. Right now, the insurance company is saying that they won't get a chance to look at the car and have an estimate on the repairs till beginning of next week. (sigh) won't have any answers till then.
To be honest, I am just glad that I came through this with only sore ribs. This could have been disastrous on so many different levels.
larry
It is your choice whether or not you settle with the insurance company, they're going to give you an offer and try and put you in a high pressure environment to take their first offer. This is where you get to tell them;
"I appreciate the offer, but to be honest with you I can't seem to find a car in the entire United States that matches the condition and options of my car prior to the accident under $XX,XXX, perhaps you'd have better luck in finding one. For now I have found these 3 cars link, link, link that are comparable to my car prior to the accident with a median price of XX,XXX which I believe would be a fair price to start negotiating from."
01-12-2011 | 08:52 PM
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01-12-2011 | 09:31 PM
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01-12-2011 | 09:37 PM
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It hurts to see this thread. I was just looking at an older thread, and I saw one of your posts, and then read the signature. When I saw you had a Targa, I had to view some of your threads. Sure enough, I found the thread when you picked up your 996. I was like... This car is awesome.
It really hurt when I saw this thread, and even worse when it JUST happened.
Good luck with whatever happens, and I'm glad you're okay.
It really hurt when I saw this thread, and even worse when it JUST happened.
Good luck with whatever happens, and I'm glad you're okay.
01-12-2011 | 09:50 PM
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Hey Larry - glad to hear you're okay, and don't beat yourself up buddy! These accidents happen, and it's why we carry insurance. It's only a car, I can't believe that you walked from a Porsche vs. semitrailer accident! Again, you were LUCKY - don't forget that! That is the sign of a truly great car, when it "gives its life to save you" - and your car is dead, dude.
Take it from a guy who lives in the frozen Great White North, what other people have said is true. Living in ice-cold tundra-like Calgary (where you keep your snow tires on from October to the end of May), most of the big dramatic accidents you see in the winter involve people in big SUVs that think that 4-wheel-drive means 4-wheel-stop, or that their traction control can overcome the laws of physics and keep them on the road no matter what.
When you buy your next Porsche, just make sure it has awd and PSM! :-)
Chin up!
Take it from a guy who lives in the frozen Great White North, what other people have said is true. Living in ice-cold tundra-like Calgary (where you keep your snow tires on from October to the end of May), most of the big dramatic accidents you see in the winter involve people in big SUVs that think that 4-wheel-drive means 4-wheel-stop, or that their traction control can overcome the laws of physics and keep them on the road no matter what.
When you buy your next Porsche, just make sure it has awd and PSM! :-)
Chin up!
01-12-2011 | 09:53 PM
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01-12-2011 | 10:00 PM
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Hey sorry to hear about the weather slamming you a good one. At least you can tell your friends the 911 crash hurts more than the break up with the wife when friends say they feel for you having to go through settlement crap.
I give bad advise sometimes and hindsight isn't much good but.....I've found sometimes its good to keep the rears spinning up instead of letting them catch on and off. Snow and ice are probably the worst conditions to have a problem in. Just an uneven surface of the two can throw you out of control. Maintain constant unaltered throttle input helps maintain things sometimes so......6 of one and half a dozen of the other. We are only along for the ride sometimes.
Had a TIR truck pinch me real tight with no contact on the far left emergency lane of the autobahn one dark early morning with me figuring no way I'm letting off the throttle in the ice. I was driving a guy from Hawaii to Frankfurt and he just sat there not saying anything knowing the situation the truck just threw on us. You let off fast and or hit brakes and kiss the cruise goodbye skimming along on ice. Bitch swerved into me forcing me into the undriven on real bad stuff. Oh well, some have tried and some have died.
Play safe man and let me be the first to say congradulations on the devorse.
I give bad advise sometimes and hindsight isn't much good but.....I've found sometimes its good to keep the rears spinning up instead of letting them catch on and off. Snow and ice are probably the worst conditions to have a problem in. Just an uneven surface of the two can throw you out of control. Maintain constant unaltered throttle input helps maintain things sometimes so......6 of one and half a dozen of the other. We are only along for the ride sometimes.
Had a TIR truck pinch me real tight with no contact on the far left emergency lane of the autobahn one dark early morning with me figuring no way I'm letting off the throttle in the ice. I was driving a guy from Hawaii to Frankfurt and he just sat there not saying anything knowing the situation the truck just threw on us. You let off fast and or hit brakes and kiss the cruise goodbye skimming along on ice. Bitch swerved into me forcing me into the undriven on real bad stuff. Oh well, some have tried and some have died.
Play safe man and let me be the first to say congradulations on the devorse.
01-12-2011 | 10:01 PM
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01-12-2011 | 10:13 PM
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