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08-03-2008, 08:00 PM
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[QUOTE=jury_ca;5667708]
The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result.
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This quote really scares me. Why not reinstate a Monarchy? Wow!, if this is what it's come to, our country is in real danger.
Go read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on this very subject. You should also review the "Federalist Papers".
The "average man" is in no way inferior to a so called "elite". Based on your assertion, we should not even allow average citizen's to vote. After all, how can they make rational decisions since they have not become "self-actualized"?
By the way, I do not need to have a degree in science to understand it. This is another widely used tactic called, Pseudo Intellectualism, where you claim that your opposition is not qualified to have an opinion on a given subject based on their lack of credentials. Sounds very discriminatory to me. Shame on you.
The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result.
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This quote really scares me. Why not reinstate a Monarchy? Wow!, if this is what it's come to, our country is in real danger.
Go read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on this very subject. You should also review the "Federalist Papers".
The "average man" is in no way inferior to a so called "elite". Based on your assertion, we should not even allow average citizen's to vote. After all, how can they make rational decisions since they have not become "self-actualized"?
By the way, I do not need to have a degree in science to understand it. This is another widely used tactic called, Pseudo Intellectualism, where you claim that your opposition is not qualified to have an opinion on a given subject based on their lack of credentials. Sounds very discriminatory to me. Shame on you.
08-03-2008, 08:09 PM
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I could go on and on. Al Gore used data from 1998! in his 2005 lie. That's 7 years old if my public school math is correct.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2315636.htm
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08-03-2008, 09:00 PM
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Here’s an interesting link. It’s a bit long but thought provoking.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43905833454241
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...43905833454241
08-03-2008, 11:57 PM
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The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result.
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This quote really scares me. Why not reinstate a Monarchy? Wow!, if this is what it's come to, our country is in real danger.
Go read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on this very subject. You should also review the "Federalist Papers".
The "average man" is in no way inferior to a so called "elite". Based on your assertion, we should not even allow average citizen's to vote. After all, how can they make rational decisions since they have not become "self-actualized"?
By the way, I do not need to have a degree in science to understand it. This is another widely used tactic called, Pseudo Intellectualism, where you claim that your opposition is not qualified to have an opinion on a given subject based on their lack of credentials. Sounds very discriminatory to me. Shame on you.
1) A monarchy is based on nepotism, not elitism. When I refer to the elite, I refer to the professionals in a given field, doctors, lawyers, bankers, professors that shape public policy on various issues. I wouldn't leave it up to the "average citizen" to decide what is best.
2) Interesting that you mention allowing the average citizen to vote because the average citizen overwhelmingly votes for the elites to lead them as opposed to voting Joe Bloggs into power. Besides, if we shaped policy on a true "democracy" of having the majority vote, you'd end up in serious trouble. You could probably get the majority to vote to eliminate all taxes tomorrow.
3) I never said that the OP was not allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with him asserting as facts what is really opinion.
The "average man" has more pressing concerns like making his credit-card payment than being self-actualized enough to behave in a manner that is most beneficial to the long-term interests of society. It is up to the elite, to define the rules, regulations and standards of behavior that will achieve an optimal societal result.
QUOTE]
This quote really scares me. Why not reinstate a Monarchy? Wow!, if this is what it's come to, our country is in real danger.
Go read Thomas Jefferson's thoughts on this very subject. You should also review the "Federalist Papers".
The "average man" is in no way inferior to a so called "elite". Based on your assertion, we should not even allow average citizen's to vote. After all, how can they make rational decisions since they have not become "self-actualized"?
By the way, I do not need to have a degree in science to understand it. This is another widely used tactic called, Pseudo Intellectualism, where you claim that your opposition is not qualified to have an opinion on a given subject based on their lack of credentials. Sounds very discriminatory to me. Shame on you.
2) Interesting that you mention allowing the average citizen to vote because the average citizen overwhelmingly votes for the elites to lead them as opposed to voting Joe Bloggs into power. Besides, if we shaped policy on a true "democracy" of having the majority vote, you'd end up in serious trouble. You could probably get the majority to vote to eliminate all taxes tomorrow.
3) I never said that the OP was not allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with him asserting as facts what is really opinion.
08-05-2008, 06:34 AM
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[QUOTE=jury_ca;5669696]
1) A monarchy is based on nepotism, not elitism. When I refer to the elite, I refer to the professionals in a given field, doctors, lawyers, bankers, professors that shape public policy on various issues. I wouldn't leave it up to the "average citizen" to decide what is best.
2) Interesting that you mention allowing the average citizen to vote because the average citizen overwhelmingly votes for the elites to lead them as opposed to voting Joe Bloggs into power. Besides, if we shaped policy on a true "democracy" of having the majority vote, you'd end up in serious trouble. You could probably get the majority to vote to eliminate all taxes tomorrow.
3) I never said that the OP was not allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with him asserting as facts what is really opinion.
Wow. People like you really do exist. If we have learned anything over the last few decades it is that the "elite" are just as likely to be complete idiots as anyone else. Our elected officials have managed to screw things up royally and in exactly the way the very "common" forefathers tried to warn against. These very educated and very priveledged individuals, the elites, prove on a daily basis that power corrupts and there inability to relate to the challenges faced by the average man has rendered them useless. They bend to whims of special interest representing the influential and powerful who willingly kill and cripple at "acceptible level" in the name of profit margins and ROI. They do not make decisions in the best interest of the nation but rather to further their personal interest. I am a conservative/capitalist to my core but I have integrity and a strong sense of independence and self reliance and I detest what the American politician has come to represent (on both sides).
And if someone "saves" money and therefore allow it to be used to be loaned as credit then that money has been spent. Just by someone else. Investing is different from hording.
Having a head full of facts does not equal knowledge and it certainly does not equal superiority.
1) A monarchy is based on nepotism, not elitism. When I refer to the elite, I refer to the professionals in a given field, doctors, lawyers, bankers, professors that shape public policy on various issues. I wouldn't leave it up to the "average citizen" to decide what is best.
2) Interesting that you mention allowing the average citizen to vote because the average citizen overwhelmingly votes for the elites to lead them as opposed to voting Joe Bloggs into power. Besides, if we shaped policy on a true "democracy" of having the majority vote, you'd end up in serious trouble. You could probably get the majority to vote to eliminate all taxes tomorrow.
3) I never said that the OP was not allowed to have an opinion. I disagree with him asserting as facts what is really opinion.
And if someone "saves" money and therefore allow it to be used to be loaned as credit then that money has been spent. Just by someone else. Investing is different from hording.
Having a head full of facts does not equal knowledge and it certainly does not equal superiority.
08-05-2008, 11:39 AM
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08-05-2008, 11:42 PM
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Wow. People like you really do exist. If we have learned anything over the last few decades it is that the "elite" are just as likely to be complete idiots as anyone else. Our elected officials have managed to screw things up royally and in exactly the way the very "common" forefathers tried to warn against. These very educated and very priveledged individuals, the elites, prove on a daily basis that power corrupts and there inability to relate to the challenges faced by the average man has rendered them useless. They bend to whims of special interest representing the influential and powerful who willingly kill and cripple at "acceptible level" in the name of profit margins and ROI. They do not make decisions in the best interest of the nation but rather to further their personal interest. I am a conservative/capitalist to my core but I have integrity and a strong sense of independence and self reliance and I detest what the American politician has come to represent (on both sides).
And if someone "saves" money and therefore allow it to be used to be loaned as credit then that money has been spent. Just by someone else. Investing is different from hording.
Having a head full of facts does not equal knowledge and it certainly does not equal superiority.
Your point about the elites making sub-optimal decisions on the basis of personal advancement is valid. Your inference that an average man, given the same powers, would make a superior decision is not.
A "democracy" by nature of being devised and managed by humans is flawed, because humans are flawed. Calling yourself a capitalist at heart, you should agree with the principal that one dollar, one vote is superior to the democratic but so very socialistic principal of one person, one vote?
Private markets are governed on the principal of personal greed. While it may be the elites that run the companies and the government, it is the common man by nature of his mass purchasing power, that controls the direction of production. This is to say, the consumption choices of the consumer dictates who become wealthy and who does not; hence, the elites are still serving the average man.
I believe in the free market economy, with the caveat that governments should intervene in circumstances which include:
1) Protecting the powerless, disabled, minorities, children and women, and reduce economic inequality
2) Provide public education and health services, standards and mandates
3) Regulate and control greed and selfishness among private interests, especially corporations and the rich and ensure that businesses provide safe working conditions, produce safe consumer products, and stop polluting the environment.
Wow. People like you really do exist. If we have learned anything over the last few decades it is that the "elite" are just as likely to be complete idiots as anyone else. Our elected officials have managed to screw things up royally and in exactly the way the very "common" forefathers tried to warn against. These very educated and very priveledged individuals, the elites, prove on a daily basis that power corrupts and there inability to relate to the challenges faced by the average man has rendered them useless. They bend to whims of special interest representing the influential and powerful who willingly kill and cripple at "acceptible level" in the name of profit margins and ROI. They do not make decisions in the best interest of the nation but rather to further their personal interest. I am a conservative/capitalist to my core but I have integrity and a strong sense of independence and self reliance and I detest what the American politician has come to represent (on both sides).
And if someone "saves" money and therefore allow it to be used to be loaned as credit then that money has been spent. Just by someone else. Investing is different from hording.
Having a head full of facts does not equal knowledge and it certainly does not equal superiority.
A "democracy" by nature of being devised and managed by humans is flawed, because humans are flawed. Calling yourself a capitalist at heart, you should agree with the principal that one dollar, one vote is superior to the democratic but so very socialistic principal of one person, one vote?
Private markets are governed on the principal of personal greed. While it may be the elites that run the companies and the government, it is the common man by nature of his mass purchasing power, that controls the direction of production. This is to say, the consumption choices of the consumer dictates who become wealthy and who does not; hence, the elites are still serving the average man.
I believe in the free market economy, with the caveat that governments should intervene in circumstances which include:
1) Protecting the powerless, disabled, minorities, children and women, and reduce economic inequality
2) Provide public education and health services, standards and mandates
3) Regulate and control greed and selfishness among private interests, especially corporations and the rich and ensure that businesses provide safe working conditions, produce safe consumer products, and stop polluting the environment.
08-06-2008, 02:47 PM
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All driving around the block very slowly making as much noise as possible
