No, it is not hair-splitting. Changing the tire width will significantly affect handling.

Reference? Which models are you talking about? List the FRT/Rear tire sizes available.

 

The only thing poppin' is that vein above your eye-lid when you realize how much you've been pwned. Space-cadet.

I believe I've posted a photo in a thread titled "My official Hello." Knock yourself out with the search-function.

Hey, just 'cause you're an attention-***** who can't accept a good old fashioned defeat, doesn't mean I can't have a little bit of fun at your expense. :P

 

People change the tires/wheels to improve the handling of their Porsche's. The stock set-up is fine but it undoubtably has built in compromises. For example;

- Porsche builds more understeer in the cars than necessary to protect unexperience drivers. My opinion maybe, but it also seems to be the opinion of many others on this board as well as many automotive journalists.
- Porsche undoubtably considers ride quality with standard tires configurations.
- Porsche also seems to considers buyer preferences when selecting tires (look no further than the 19" tire option on 987's and 997's).
- If the stock set-up is optimal for handling, why do racers usually change it? Travel through the paddock at any DE or Club Race and you will see many more non-stock solutions than stock.

I use "N" spec tires on my cars on the street because because I think their are "some" benefits. But, I don't run the stock sizes on any of my Porsches (street or track). Additionally, at the track I use whatever R-compound I believe offers the best price/grip compromise.

It works great for me! Your results and/or opinion on the matter certainly may vary.

 

Once he saw the big schtick coming at him, he cries uncle and relents. I'd give you a tissue if I could. Thx for pretty much admitting I'm right.

As to this dude's other post, it's obvious this guy's read up on me as I have no idea where the hell he came from in the past (anonymous dude), doesn't like my level of confidence/lifestyle whatever, so being the kinder/gentler Ben, I will respect Bob's wishes and refrain from responding because as you can clearly read, this guy is thw weird guy you don't want to have over for a bbq/beers cuz he's downright vapid, ultra-p-car conservative, and chicks are scared of him cuz he just doesn't stop calling cuz he just doesn't get it.

He is without fail the missionary man.

 

LoLlol

Ahhh...thank goodness it's the gentle Ben.

I might just kinda like him better....but not by much.

 

This is respecting the rule about "no personal attacks"?

 

Bob, the guy clearly responded after receiving our little message. Chronology. And yes, it was not a personal attack. It was an on-target assessment of the interaction.

 

Ray, all your points are accurate. Further, you qualify the benefits with the downsides. Porsche must certainly make compromises to performance to appeal to a wider range of buyers. My point was that Ben modified his car by adding wider rear tires for the "steam-roller" look. That INCREASES understeer, thus negatively affecting his handling.

 

When did I say you were right? Increasing the rear tire width on the C4S only makes it perform better than stock in a narrow range of scenarios where more rear tire grip is required. However, when you start understeering (which is how Porsches are inherently tuned), you have lost the ability to balance that with throttle oversteer because you just have too much rear grip! Hence, you've converted your car from mild understeer to heavy understeer. On a stock C4S, when the frt starts to push, the rear is also pretty close to the threshold. And this is ignoring what increasing the weight at the rear-most corner of the car will do to its handling.

Hahah. I've been a member here since '04, so of course I've read your posts. Where do you get the idea that I don't like you? You can think of me as just like you - only with a higher IQ. Oh yeah, and someone who isn't ghetto when it comes to class, sophistication, and style.

I see you have no comment on the pic I posted? Not quite the nerd you pictured? Hahaha. As for the "missionary man" quip, I'm afraid you're rather far off the mark with that one. I'm young, easy-on-the-eyes, and pretty darn entertaining. So, uhm, figure it out.

P.S. Still waiting for that reference on where Porsche offers a wider rear tire package on the same car, Sparky.

 

This is indisputable.

This is subjective.

(Although I happen to share the view, but, again, it's subjective. A car that understeers is not 'bad' by definition. Within reason, it's more tame and predictable and, because corrections get made by lifting the throttle a bit rather than getting into it more, it's less performance oriented).

 

YES! At least in Germany for the 3.4l 996s you could. If you had selected one of the optional 18" wheels (as opposed to the stock 17" "Carrera" wheels), you could also order optional wider rear tires, which took you from 265s to 285s.

I do not know if this same option was available in the US. Of course as most of you know, the 285 on an 18" wheel became standard on the '02-'04 3.6l 996s.

Rob

 

I am just about to pull the trigger on a set of these. My current set of Pirelli PZero System rears have lasted about 7000 miles and look like slicks right now. I have decided it is more prudent to go with something with better wear characteristics and less traction (although the Sumitomo has a better grip rating than the Pirelli) for daily street use. I can then buy a set of Michelin PS2 Cups and a second set of wheels for track/autoX use. No compromises that way. And in the long run I figure I might even save a little money.

 

I absolutely love that I got you talking about your IQ, how you're not ghetto, how you're easy on the eyes on a damn car board. LOLLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL IQ, eh? Who got you to show us how you really feel about yourself? I got you.

And just do us all a favor and post up the pic you mention. With some chicks preferred.

And, again, it's clear that you're trying to state as fact something that you can't even begin to prove. Just like you, I can't provide scientific data because who has $1m to pull off something like this?

What I do have is a countless number of Rennlisters and non-Rennlisters who have upgraded to 19" wheels that are setup with wider tires, who have lowered the car with PSS9s/KW3s and are perfectly happy with the upgrade and would never, ever look back. Why? Because the drive is that much better thus clearly justifying the $10K+ expenditure.

Enjoy your floaty stock suspension with your regular wheels. We can all bust them out when we feel like... putting some winter tires on them. Continue to live in the dark. You're ignorant and tired (I've never read your posts until this thread Zzzzz).

 

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