PANERAI & PORSCHE
06-24-2003, 10:50 AM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Damian in NJ:
<strong>Sloth, you can buy a ss Daytona in the US, they're just in short supply and the dealers like to charge above list.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">From what I have come to understand, they are in short supply b/c Rolex would rather send the SS Daytonas to Japan where they can mark them up more. Their rarity in the US allows dealers and sellers to command a premium.
<strong>Sloth, you can buy a ss Daytona in the US, they're just in short supply and the dealers like to charge above list.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">From what I have come to understand, they are in short supply b/c Rolex would rather send the SS Daytonas to Japan where they can mark them up more. Their rarity in the US allows dealers and sellers to command a premium.
06-24-2003, 11:19 AM
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...SS Daytona, black face (new movement). Goes nicely with my 996 C4 (Ocean blue/black)!!
Also thinking of buying a Jaeger Le Coultre Master Moon or Master Reserve de Marche.
Sorry, don't like the Panerais at all! Too big and chunky - look like they were designed for the partially sighted!!
Also thinking of buying a Jaeger Le Coultre Master Moon or Master Reserve de Marche.
Sorry, don't like the Panerais at all! Too big and chunky - look like they were designed for the partially sighted!!
06-24-2003, 11:30 AM
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I have to come clean: I'm a watch snob with an addiction problem, so if I ruffled a few feathers I apologise. The Panerai looks good, but uses bought in movements that cost about $1.50 meaning you pay a lot for the look. any Rolex is a well-made workhorse that's almost indestructable, with unfortunately a lot of baggage.
If you like "blue blood" watches that match Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati etc. then look at Audemars Piguet, Blancpain, Breguet, IWC, JLC, Glashutte Original, Lange e Sohne, Patek Philippe, and Vacheron Constantin, but be prepared to pay, not only to buy but also to maintain. If you like watches check out Timezone.com or ThePurists.com both of which fan the flames of addiction.
If you like "blue blood" watches that match Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati etc. then look at Audemars Piguet, Blancpain, Breguet, IWC, JLC, Glashutte Original, Lange e Sohne, Patek Philippe, and Vacheron Constantin, but be prepared to pay, not only to buy but also to maintain. If you like watches check out Timezone.com or ThePurists.com both of which fan the flames of addiction.
06-24-2003, 03:30 PM
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Le Chef, just FYI I think you forgot Chopard and particularly Girard Perregaux who have their own movements and do do extremely fine work at the high end. Bregeut, Blancpain, Glashutte, and Frederick Piguet (movements) are all Swatch. The Blancpain and Breguet chronos use the same ETA works, service in the U.S. is not great. Apart from steel Rolexes, any of the finest watches can be had new for 35-45% off quite easily. ALL of them, and if you know anyone in the trade getting Rolexes for 5% above Swiss wholesale is doable too. Hint--jewelers get very maleable around Feb. 15 every year.
Rolex sells just about 1M watches per year, Patek a little under 30K, and Patek outsells most all of the other "luxury" brands by some margin. Like Heineken or Montecristo, being common does not detract from the quality and durability of Rolex or Patek, they have managed their business better than the others.
I have owned and/or witnessed enough brands/fashions in watches come and go to simply caution anyone to really check into the service as best you can (i.e. other than the salesman) before you buy. Especially when a brand is suddenly "hot." At various times I have seen Concord, Ebel, Cartier, and Breitling, for example, do their little mortar shots in the market behind a model or two and wind down (pun intended) by infuriating owners and merchants with slipshod service and too much inventory, and it will cost you when/if you trade. Which you should!
No snobbery here (mild addiction), just like cars it empirically doesn't make sense what we actually buy versus what we need, so get what you like and don't worry about it.
Rolex sells just about 1M watches per year, Patek a little under 30K, and Patek outsells most all of the other "luxury" brands by some margin. Like Heineken or Montecristo, being common does not detract from the quality and durability of Rolex or Patek, they have managed their business better than the others.
I have owned and/or witnessed enough brands/fashions in watches come and go to simply caution anyone to really check into the service as best you can (i.e. other than the salesman) before you buy. Especially when a brand is suddenly "hot." At various times I have seen Concord, Ebel, Cartier, and Breitling, for example, do their little mortar shots in the market behind a model or two and wind down (pun intended) by infuriating owners and merchants with slipshod service and too much inventory, and it will cost you when/if you trade. Which you should!
No snobbery here (mild addiction), just like cars it empirically doesn't make sense what we actually buy versus what we need, so get what you like and don't worry about it.
06-24-2003, 03:44 PM
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Love Panerai. Own 6 as of now. Email for pics.
Panerai 141-S/S Radiomir
Panerai 022 s/s Destro (left handed)
Panerai 107 Regatta 2001 special edition
Panerai 024 Luminor Submersible
Panerai 111 Luminor Marina
Panerai 108 (hate to say it 40 mm AMG chronograph!)
Panerai and Rolex only!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Panerai 141-S/S Radiomir
Panerai 022 s/s Destro (left handed)
Panerai 107 Regatta 2001 special edition
Panerai 024 Luminor Submersible
Panerai 111 Luminor Marina
Panerai 108 (hate to say it 40 mm AMG chronograph!)
Panerai and Rolex only!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
06-24-2003, 04:42 PM
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It looks like Nick opened up yet another horizon for discussion. Once you've decided on which watch complements your 996, the next question might be what cigar completes the image (whether or not you choose to smoke it in the car).
While a knee-jerk reaction might be some of the more popular Cuban cigars, my recent favorites include the Padron Anniversario series, Padron 1926 (if you can get them), and I just tried the Zino Platinum "Chubby" though I don't know that I'd make a regular habit out of smoking a $35 cigar.
While a knee-jerk reaction might be some of the more popular Cuban cigars, my recent favorites include the Padron Anniversario series, Padron 1926 (if you can get them), and I just tried the Zino Platinum "Chubby" though I don't know that I'd make a regular habit out of smoking a $35 cigar.
06-24-2003, 05:23 PM
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</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">Originally posted by Damian in NJ:
<strong>Rolex and Porsche go together like peanut butter and jelly.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I agree with that. Stainless Rolex Explorer II here. I've worn this watch literally every day for almost 25 years and it has never failed or varied in it's timekeeping. It's hard to imagine another watch being able to match it's endurance or subtle class. Just like a Porsche... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<strong>Rolex and Porsche go together like peanut butter and jelly.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Helvetica">I agree with that. Stainless Rolex Explorer II here. I've worn this watch literally every day for almost 25 years and it has never failed or varied in it's timekeeping. It's hard to imagine another watch being able to match it's endurance or subtle class. Just like a Porsche... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
06-24-2003, 05:56 PM
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Mr. Moore, not to nitpick, but not all the Breguet chronos use an ETA movement. My Classique uses a Lemania ebauche-same as the Patek chronograph, although they finish them differently. Classic column wheel chrono, not like the Piquet 1185 in some of the other watches you mentioned.
BTW, I'm a watchmaker . . .
BTW, I'm a watchmaker . . .
06-24-2003, 06:04 PM
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I don't want a Panerai, but I have nothing against them, and especially nothing against people who do like them. Just if there is a car they are symmetrical to, IMO it would be a Hummer or G-Wagen. Strikes me as more fashion than value, only time will tell on that. And believe me when I say I have seen a good bit of owner angst when hand-made watch or gun companies scale up quickly. It also happens one of my best friends for >20 years is a very significant Rolex dealer, seen many other brands come and go in the other cases.
To the extent I think much about which watch to wear, I think a lot more about where I am going, not which car I am driving there. If I had a "car watch" probably a big Casio, or a big Indiglo Timex. Big display, big buttons, backlit. Know something odd? Of our cars the most accurate clock is in the bloody Range Rover, the worst by far is the VW.
You like sweeter wrappers, Dmitri, you should try Honduran also. I am not sure even my beloved Romeo y Julieta Churchills go with the car (beer either), good cigars (beers) are best when you are not distracted by anything important, and anyway the ashtray is way too little (no opener).
Or in a cab the wind would just smoke it for you. Although in SoCal I gather the traffic can be so bad you are not doing anything important much of the time, and you wouldn't be getting much wind either! Enjoy!
To the extent I think much about which watch to wear, I think a lot more about where I am going, not which car I am driving there. If I had a "car watch" probably a big Casio, or a big Indiglo Timex. Big display, big buttons, backlit. Know something odd? Of our cars the most accurate clock is in the bloody Range Rover, the worst by far is the VW.
You like sweeter wrappers, Dmitri, you should try Honduran also. I am not sure even my beloved Romeo y Julieta Churchills go with the car (beer either), good cigars (beers) are best when you are not distracted by anything important, and anyway the ashtray is way too little (no opener).
Or in a cab the wind would just smoke it for you. Although in SoCal I gather the traffic can be so bad you are not doing anything important much of the time, and you wouldn't be getting much wind either! Enjoy!
06-24-2003, 06:19 PM
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Not at all Damian, quite right. I meant the Type XX, Aeronavale/Transatlantique flybacks.
Great for cooking, I love being able to time two things at once, and both mechanisms can be reset so easily, no pawls in the bezel.
Great for cooking, I love being able to time two things at once, and both mechanisms can be reset so easily, no pawls in the bezel.
06-24-2003, 06:24 PM
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Wow I didn't realize there were so many watch freaks out there like me!
Anyhow I have a Rolex Explorer II.
My question is on "maintenance".
What and how often should you get it serviced?
I have heard you need to get it "oiled" etc. every so often. Is this true and if so how often? Someone also once told me if you don't have any problems not to crack the case.
I'm confused.
The watch is about 7 years old and I've had it since new.
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Anyhow I have a Rolex Explorer II.
My question is on "maintenance".
What and how often should you get it serviced?
I have heard you need to get it "oiled" etc. every so often. Is this true and if so how often? Someone also once told me if you don't have any problems not to crack the case.
I'm confused.
The watch is about 7 years old and I've had it since new.
TIA
06-24-2003, 07:12 PM
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A mechanical watch needs servicing on average every 3-4 years. In many ways it's just like a car engine: the oil needs to be changed, and it's expensive oil designed to cope with small bearings and high temperatures. Bearings and other parts like waterproofing seals wear or perish. These are usually replaced when the watch is disassembled for cleaning. You may not notice the watch losing or gaining time, but the parts are wearing...
06-24-2003, 07:50 PM
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Cupcar -- To get the GMT to provide rough navigation:
1. Have your watch set up so that GMT, or Zulu time, is displayed with the pointer on the outer bezel set at the 12 o'clock position.
2. Point the local hour hand at the sun (clearly not a good plan around noon or at night).
3. With the local hour hand pointing at the sun, the 24 hour hand is pointing roughly at Magnetic North, obviously south is opposite, and you can figure East and West pretty accurately using numbers on the watch face. If you can imagine, I navigated a crippled U.S. Navy jet back to the carrier with a GMT.
1. Have your watch set up so that GMT, or Zulu time, is displayed with the pointer on the outer bezel set at the 12 o'clock position.
2. Point the local hour hand at the sun (clearly not a good plan around noon or at night).
3. With the local hour hand pointing at the sun, the 24 hour hand is pointing roughly at Magnetic North, obviously south is opposite, and you can figure East and West pretty accurately using numbers on the watch face. If you can imagine, I navigated a crippled U.S. Navy jet back to the carrier with a GMT.