Newbie looking to get 911 996 advice
#1
Newbie looking to get 911 996 advice
Posted this in the welcome section, then saw was maybe supposed to be here?
I have to make decision fairly soon.
Hi, looking to get first P car!
have 2 cars looking at
First 2001 911 Arctic silver blk interior 6 speed ,with 72K miles appears to be 2 owner hardtop , convertible top is mechanically repaired. (hope they can repair metal roof frame properly) cost to me with new roof is 31K
PSM 18" wheels Heated seats/ technic pkg> probably orig IMS bearing, very good shape, seems like a lot of 911 are Silver
Second is 2002 Orient Red, gray interior/ gray top with 23k miles, 6 speed, one owner with all docs and Porsche installed IMS, 18" wheels Cd player Advanced technic pkg , heated front seats
this car is 39K super clean
NO TC OR PSM
Which car you think is better purchase?
Just going to use the car for fun driving but should I be concerned about No TC or PSM.
Buying both these cars to be shipped.
Briefly texted orig owner of 2002, he said fun car for him in canyons in Cali, not track garage kept never saw rain
Thanks
I have to make decision fairly soon.
Hi, looking to get first P car!
have 2 cars looking at
First 2001 911 Arctic silver blk interior 6 speed ,with 72K miles appears to be 2 owner hardtop , convertible top is mechanically repaired. (hope they can repair metal roof frame properly) cost to me with new roof is 31K
PSM 18" wheels Heated seats/ technic pkg> probably orig IMS bearing, very good shape, seems like a lot of 911 are Silver
Second is 2002 Orient Red, gray interior/ gray top with 23k miles, 6 speed, one owner with all docs and Porsche installed IMS, 18" wheels Cd player Advanced technic pkg , heated front seats
this car is 39K super clean
NO TC OR PSM
Which car you think is better purchase?
Just going to use the car for fun driving but should I be concerned about No TC or PSM.
Buying both these cars to be shipped.
Briefly texted orig owner of 2002, he said fun car for him in canyons in Cali, not track garage kept never saw rain
Thanks
Last edited by Jemco67; 10-12-2022 at 05:29 PM.
#2
I'd like to see some pics of each if you have them. The 2001 seems well spec'd and the '02 seems like the ideal one if you're not into fixing things. From my experience, things start falling off around 75K. I.e. Plastic trim, issues with dash around ignition, headlight seals, etc. Either one should have an IMS solution put in. I'd rather be safe than sorry in that department.
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They both have about the same options, except the 2002 dosent have the PSM OR TC. They took the ad down on the 2001, so cant find pictures! https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
#5
They both have about the same options, except the 2002 dosent have the PSM OR TC. They took the ad down on the 2001, so cant find pictures! https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
So I looked over the pics on their website, I'd ask for more from underneath. For a car with limited miles then engine seems really dirty or.. oily. Not sure. I've never seen a skid plate before. Looks cool. The interior is amazing. I assure you, my cabriolet, with 102K miles on it doesn't look nearly as good.
Last edited by Yogibara; 10-11-2022 at 12:04 PM. Reason: Added more to say
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look at video? Motor sound ok?
ive never had or heard 911
i think they may have sprayed motor ( like underarmour)
did you watch video?
only couple rock chips, one small stain on roof!
whats opinion about no PSM OR TC?
Thanks
ive never had or heard 911
i think they may have sprayed motor ( like underarmour)
did you watch video?
only couple rock chips, one small stain on roof!
whats opinion about no PSM OR TC?
Thanks
Last edited by Jemco67; 10-11-2022 at 12:10 PM.
#7
I cringed a little with that high rev on a cold engine. You can see the smoke/evaporation coming out of the pipes. There's quite a bit of background noise but it sounds really good. There's a ticking sound at first, while he's walking around, but it clears up. Like I said earlier, I'd ask them to put it on a lift and take pics of the engine, w/o the skid plate. You should look for seepage around the heads, spark plugs, engine to transmission, etc. Details say the IMS was done by Porsche. That just means they put another IMS bearing in there. Honestly, I'd still update it to a permanent one. The resale value alone is worth the cost. I'm doing a complete rebuild on mine and will be ripping out the bearing and going with the Flat 6 Innovations "IMS Solution". I'll be damned if I allow the IMS to destroy the work and money I'm pouring into this project.
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The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
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Good luck with finding the right one.
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The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
has all records
thanks for your input
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The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
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I've got to agree with this. Even in today's market I think $39k is a lot for that car. If you do buy it I'd ask a lot of questions about oil changes and try to get some receipts. I have seen way too many low miles cars where they followed the manufacturer miles change intervals and not any kind of time interval, which could mean this cab is only on its 2nd or 3rd set of oil... Which wouldn't be good at all. Everyone has there preferences, but I have always been one to take well maintained over miles any day. I've seen a lot of 100k mile cars in overall much better mechanical health than 20-30k mile cars.
the owner had 60k 75k service done eve n tho the. Mileage wasnt that high
https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
#13
The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
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#14
The devil is in the details. First, the owner provided the IMS bearing to the Porsche shop for install, but you don't know which one he gave them. It could be anything. Second, it was installed in 2014. Notice the invoice date (see attached). That's WAY overtime for replacement. We're talking 10 years! Doesn't matter about the miles. Time in service is just as important as miles especially when it comes to this part.
#15
The devil is in the details. First, the owner provided the IMS bearing to the Porsche shop for install, but you don't know which one he gave them. It could be anything. Second, it was installed in 2014. Notice the invoice date (see attached). That's WAY overtime for replacement. We're talking 10 years! Doesn't matter about the miles. Time in service is just as important as miles especially when it comes to this part.