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Old 10-11-2022 | 11:07 AM
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Default Newbie looking to get 911 996 advice

Posted this in the welcome section, then saw was maybe supposed to be here?

I have to make decision fairly soon.

Hi, looking to get first P car!
have 2 cars looking at
First 2001 911 Arctic silver blk interior 6 speed ,with 72K miles appears to be 2 owner hardtop , convertible top is mechanically repaired. (hope they can repair metal roof frame properly) cost to me with new roof is 31K
PSM 18" wheels Heated seats/ technic pkg> probably orig IMS bearing, very good shape, seems like a lot of 911 are Silver

Second is 2002 Orient Red, gray interior/ gray top with 23k miles, 6 speed, one owner with all docs and Porsche installed IMS, 18" wheels Cd player Advanced technic pkg , heated front seats
this car is 39K super clean
NO TC OR PSM

Which car you think is better purchase?
Just going to use the car for fun driving but should I be concerned about No TC or PSM.

Buying both these cars to be shipped.

Briefly texted orig owner of 2002, he said fun car for him in canyons in Cali, not track garage kept never saw rain

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I'd like to see some pics of each if you have them. The 2001 seems well spec'd and the '02 seems like the ideal one if you're not into fixing things. From my experience, things start falling off around 75K. I.e. Plastic trim, issues with dash around ignition, headlight seals, etc. Either one should have an IMS solution put in. I'd rather be safe than sorry in that department.
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Keep searching for a '99 - for various reasons you'll find on the boards/google search "early production 996"

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Old 10-11-2022 | 11:59 AM
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They both have about the same options, except the 2002 dosent have the PSM OR TC. They took the ad down on the 2001, so cant find pictures! https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
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Originally Posted by Jemco67

They both have about the same options, except the 2002 dosent have the PSM OR TC. They took the ad down on the 2001, so cant find pictures! https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
Wow, she's purty.

So I looked over the pics on their website, I'd ask for more from underneath. For a car with limited miles then engine seems really dirty or.. oily. Not sure. I've never seen a skid plate before. Looks cool. The interior is amazing. I assure you, my cabriolet, with 102K miles on it doesn't look nearly as good.

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Old 10-11-2022 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Yogibara
Wow, she's purty.
look at video? Motor sound ok?
ive never had or heard 911

i think they may have sprayed motor ( like underarmour)

did you watch video?
only couple rock chips, one small stain on roof!

whats opinion about no PSM OR TC?
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Old 10-11-2022 | 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jemco67
look at video? Motor sound ok?
ive never had or heard 911
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I cringed a little with that high rev on a cold engine. You can see the smoke/evaporation coming out of the pipes. There's quite a bit of background noise but it sounds really good. There's a ticking sound at first, while he's walking around, but it clears up. Like I said earlier, I'd ask them to put it on a lift and take pics of the engine, w/o the skid plate. You should look for seepage around the heads, spark plugs, engine to transmission, etc. Details say the IMS was done by Porsche. That just means they put another IMS bearing in there. Honestly, I'd still update it to a permanent one. The resale value alone is worth the cost. I'm doing a complete rebuild on mine and will be ripping out the bearing and going with the Flat 6 Innovations "IMS Solution". I'll be damned if I allow the IMS to destroy the work and money I'm pouring into this project.
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The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
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Originally Posted by hkovalcik
Keep searching for a '99 - for various reasons you'll find on the boards/google search "early production 996"
Agreed, 99s are great. So are every other year of the 996. no need to limit your vision to only one year unless that's the year you are dying for. 99 is no better than any other 996 year. Just like any other 996 year is no better than a 99. They just have different tradeoffs that you need to be aware of.

Good luck with finding the right one.
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Originally Posted by b3freak
The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
texted orig owner, he gave Porsche dealer IMS bearing while doing RMS etc.
has all records
thanks for your input
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Originally Posted by b3freak
The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
I've got to agree with this. Even in today's market I think $39k is a lot for that car. If you do buy it I'd ask a lot of questions about oil changes and try to get some receipts. I have seen way too many low miles cars where they followed the manufacturer miles change intervals and not any kind of time interval, which could mean this cab is only on its 2nd or 3rd set of oil... Which wouldn't be good at all. Everyone has there preferences, but I have always been one to take well maintained over miles any day. I've seen a lot of 100k mile cars in overall much better mechanical health than 20-30k mile cars.
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I've got to agree with this. Even in today's market I think $39k is a lot for that car. If you do buy it I'd ask a lot of questions about oil changes and try to get some receipts. I have seen way too many low miles cars where they followed the manufacturer miles change intervals and not any kind of time interval, which could mean this cab is only on its 2nd or 3rd set of oil... Which wouldn't be good at all. Everyone has there preferences, but I have always been one to take well maintained over miles any day. I've seen a lot of 100k mile cars in overall much better mechanical health than 20-30k mile cars.
understand all the receipts are there in listing.
the owner had 60k 75k service done eve n tho the. Mileage wasnt that high

https://www.diamondmotorworks.com/20...let-c-4126.htm
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Originally Posted by b3freak
The Mk1 2001 and Mk2 2002 are completely different M96 engines, but both suffer from the same problems with cylinder bore scoring and IMS failure being the top two. You need a good pre-purchase inspection of the engine. That being said, the red '02 cabriolet is definitely a good looking car; however, it's grossly overpriced. At $40K, you can purchase a nice 06-08 997 with decent miles. Even though the '02 has "low miles" that doesn't impress me at all. In fact, some of the worst offenders of engine failure has been garage queens. There are plenty of nice 996 cabriolets in the 20s. Keep looking. You might have to drive out of state to get a better deal.
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Originally Posted by Jemco67
texted orig owner, he gave Porsche dealer IMS bearing while doing RMS etc.
has all records
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The devil is in the details. First, the owner provided the IMS bearing to the Porsche shop for install, but you don't know which one he gave them. It could be anything. Second, it was installed in 2014. Notice the invoice date (see attached). That's WAY overtime for replacement. We're talking 10 years! Doesn't matter about the miles. Time in service is just as important as miles especially when it comes to this part.



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Originally Posted by b3freak
The devil is in the details. First, the owner provided the IMS bearing to the Porsche shop for install, but you don't know which one he gave them. It could be anything. Second, it was installed in 2014. Notice the invoice date (see attached). That's WAY overtime for replacement. We're talking 10 years! Doesn't matter about the miles. Time in service is just as important as miles especially when it comes to this part.


This makes more sense now. I saw, what looked to be, dark spots around the usual areas underneath (from what I could see). Do all this work only to let it sit around is no bueno.


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