Yep.

My engine has been performing beautifully, and would be very surprised if I developed any bore scoring. But I am dreading tomorrow because my shop will be checking for everything. Can I say dreading again. But, I gotta go thru the engine with a fine tooth comb if I want to get it back out on the track again.

 

Would be interested in seeing the results. Mainly as you're one of the few folks that has owned the car for so long, track it somewhat regularly and is trying to do the right things to keep it going.

 

Thanks Pete.

I do plan on posting info. I am going thru a three phase project.

Phase 1 is going thru the engine and parts with a fine tooth comb, seeing what I got and replacing parts etc. Assuming everything is good, we will go to the next phase, which is highly likely.

Phase 2 will be more oil cooling and UIDS; to address cooling, oil starvation and pressure stability.

Phase 3 will be anything we missed.

We may be starting oil cooling in phase one to see where additional oil cooling can be fitted in the car. Once the fitment is figured out we can then test it. But unfortunately, it's just too damn cold here to test anything until spring. I'll have some more details as things progress.

 

I hear you. I have a few maintenance items to take care off too so waiting for the warmer temps. I'm planning to pull the plastic underbody covers and spend some time under there inspecting and cleaning. Would love to pair the UIDS with my next oil change, which is creeping up!

To stay somewhat on-topic, the day I bought the car, I also bought a binder which houses every receipt I collect for the car related purchases. Along with a spreadsheet in Google this should give anyone some good info should I ever want to sell it. It doesn't take much work at all and shows you the type of owner you're dealing with IMHO. Not everyone cares and appreciates this but the right buyer will. This goes for simple things like washing and cleaning a car when showing it to someone. I've seen some filthy cars which turned me away. If someone doesn't care enough to put some soap in a bucket and wipe down the dust from the dash I doubt they did much on the mechanical front.

 

Let’s be realistic here (or maybe you’re being facetious?). As a buyer, YOU should be doing your due diligence as a buyer, having it inspected and asking the pertinent questions. There a HUGE difference between asking if somebody has all the maintenance records and then being turned off cause guy doesn’t have laboratory tests and bore scope pictures for every oil change he’s done since 2002. Let’s be a little realistic here.

Sure, if you want to be the seller that provides all that info, good on you. Whoever buys the car is in for a treat and that’s probably 1 in a million. But let’s be honest, you probably don’t ever see that without the price tag being a little unrealistic for most people.

Same goes for being a seller, you shouldn’t be a shady dirtbag and not disclose known issues, but that’s on the buyer to come and do their due diligence on the purchase and having realistic expectations on buying a used, 20 year old car.

 

Pete, You are building out a well maintained and documented car. I enjoy the work you have done on it thru your posts. I try to do projects every year to check, replace, upgrade, etc. But this year is all about bores and oil. Just like you, I have a binder of records and spreadsheets. Labor of love keeping the car in top shape.

 

The dirtbags put heavy oil in their car, dump it on carmax and then some unsuspecting victim buys his "dream car" that soon becomes their "nightmare".

 

Nate, I agree, the buyer should be doing their due diligence and the seller shouldn't sell something that is about to grenade. But unfortunately, as sale volumes went into high gear over the pandemic, we have seen that both the buyer and seller failed on both ends. We have had one too many failures from bore scoring with newly acquired cars.

As prices go up for the 996 over the next few years, its inevitable that buyers will most likely get more serious about scoping for bore scoring, which in turn will put pressure on sellers to check their bores before they put the car up for sale, or they will get an unpleasant surprise with the sale price of their car. Along the way, owners of 996s will eventually make scoping their bores every so often a consistent practice within their servicing regime.

So in the end, the guys that can prove at the beginning of the sales process that they have good bores, upgraded IMSB and UAOSs, solid service records etc, will command a higher price. Just how markets evolve over time.

 

Oh, I hear ya...that's why I don't trust those places as far as I can throw them. Luckily I was able to get a PPI within my grace period buying from a dealer for my Macan Turbo..I "lucked out" on cause that was bought sight unseen and delivered. My 996 on the otherhand, eveybody in the area knew him and the car...small town, guy's a small business owner, it wouldn't be in his best interest to sell a dud or a car that needed a lot without being up front and that fact his business is next door to the Indy and that's the cork board I saw the ad on...I also lucked out on that one I guess. It had an amazing, documented service history, but the IMS wasn't done....so far I've spent close to $7000 on the car, shocks/springs, mounts, brakes, IMS solution...but I also bought the car $10k under market..so it's a wash....granted, all it NEEDED was brake pads and arguably the IMS, but I figured I'd do it all anyways for me. And I'm not mad about it...but maybe I'm a little more understanding in that regard of buying an 18 year old car?

Agreed. On all fronts. Like you said, it's the evolving market, and some of it I think is specific to this car. Having all that documentation up front is a bonus, I just think, atleast for me being a skeptic, it would raise some flags and make me thing "what's the catch...what I'm I missing..." unless the asking price is higher than market, then yeah, that's understandable...unfortunately, as you point out, there aren't many of those types of people out there with that kind of documentation.

I personally keep all the info in an excel spreadhseet of mileage, date, itemized list, and cost along with a total at the bottom...both of the records before purchase, the purchase date of the car, and then my purchases/expenses after in a timeline fashion...along with the reciepts in an accordion binder in chronological order so you can match it to the spreadsheet. That's just the engineer in me doing that for my own purposes and OCD....which, in the event it comes time to sell it, will benefit me....hopefully. Or it'll make me look suspect for having everything in a binder and a spreadsheet

 

except that's not how the world works...In your hypothetical situation, the buyer got the value of the car because the buyer did his due diligence If the buyer chooses not to do that's not magically on the seller (assuming he did not know also). That's what AS-IS means in a private party sale. When you sell a house you should refuse to see the buyer's inspection, if the deal goes **** up and you've seen it you are updating a disclosure form with everything they found. I could care less why you don't want to purchase something I'm selling, bring the money make the offer.

I bought my car with no PPI and mythical bore scoring has not gotten me, does it happen sure. This "community" loves scaring people with biased observational "data".

 

Do you care to provide any "unbiased data" to back up this allegation?

 

This is difficult because when somebody comes in here and is like "Hey I just found out I can afford one of these things, should I?" I feel like as a responsible community, we should bring up their propensity to drain "ye ole wallet". There are enough "dream car becomes a nightmare" threads on here to justify this warning.

I agree that when somebody who owns one is telling somebody else who also already owns one that they had better "x,y,z, or else!" it gets a bit tiresome. I think this fatigue comes from a spillover of people giving friendly advice to newbies that is then transferred to people who are not asking for friendly advice.

 

sure but you will have to wait till tomorrow when GC tells us his tracked hard car is fine. but that fact will be conveniently hidden by the must-get-bore scope crowd.

 

Fair enough.

 

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