Iconic Mezger vs. Early-1999
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bdronsick (10-01-2021)
10-01-2021, 12:06 PM
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Hold the phone. What's the height of your garage, and what do you fit under that?
I have living space above my garage so I have limited space. I'd need to switch the opener from the chain-drive to the style you have there, but that's no big deal.
Bolted to the concrete, or no?
And is the pad for snow/ice melt mitigation?
I have living space above my garage so I have limited space. I'd need to switch the opener from the chain-drive to the style you have there, but that's no big deal.
Bolted to the concrete, or no?
And is the pad for snow/ice melt mitigation?
10-01-2021, 12:20 PM
#18
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Yes obviously. I wonder though which will appreciate more total (say in ten to twenty more years) as a percentage of original value?
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. But if the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's net way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more than twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense? Even though it admittedly will never be worth anywhere near as much as the Turbo.
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. But if the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's net way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more than twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense? Even though it admittedly will never be worth anywhere near as much as the Turbo.
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10-01-2021, 12:25 PM
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Yeah I'm vertically challenged too; plus don't want to give up the kitty-corner third spot in between 
Hold the phone. What's the height of your garage, and what do you fit under that?
I have living space above my garage so I have limited space. I'd need to switch the opener from the chain-drive to the style you have there, but that's no big deal.
Bolted to the concrete, or no?
And is the pad for snow/ice melt mitigation?
I have living space above my garage so I have limited space. I'd need to switch the opener from the chain-drive to the style you have there, but that's no big deal.
Bolted to the concrete, or no?
And is the pad for snow/ice melt mitigation?
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10-01-2021, 12:31 PM
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Yes obviously. I wonder though which will appreciate more total (say in ten to twenty more years) as a percentage of original value?
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. If the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more that twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense?
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. If the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more that twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense?
Anyway, turbo all day every day
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bdronsick (10-01-2021)
10-01-2021, 12:33 PM
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10-01-2021, 12:33 PM
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Well this one was like $148K (tons of absurd options, etc.) No X50 though sadly. Crazy how much you can hike the price on these with meaningless nothings. I'm not the original owner, obviously
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10-01-2021, 12:34 PM
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Yes obviously. I wonder though which will appreciate more total (say in ten to twenty more years) as a percentage of original value?
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. If the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more than twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense? Even though it admittedly will never be worth anywhere nearly as much as the Turbo.
IE if the Turbo ever hits $150K it has simply broken even. If the 1999 ever hits even half of that it's way ahead.
Simply observing that one cost more than twice the other originally, doesn't really account for individual future net differences in these two very different markets. It seems to me the 1999 has more "upside" if that makes sense? Even though it admittedly will never be worth anywhere nearly as much as the Turbo.
But I gotta ask you why you are asking these questions. Are you looking at it as an investment, or as a car to enjoy?
10-01-2021, 12:40 PM
#24
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I"m so conflicted just looking for anything to push me one over the other. I never should have bought the Turbo, I already bought and sold off a Tip TT thinking the 1999 would be easy to part with in comparison. The manual TT is another realm obviously, but this purple 99 is proving very hard to part with. It's like a Christine
It's like the head cheerleader finally came onto you, but you can't give up that weird little goth from detention, like she cast a spell
It's like the head cheerleader finally came onto you, but you can't give up that weird little goth from detention, like she cast a spell
Of course the turbo will most likely be worth more if it follows the behavior of the air cooled turbos vs normal aspirated. But like everything, you make your money off the purchase price.
But I gotta ask you why you are asking these questions. Are you looking at it as an investment, or as a car to enjoy?
But I gotta ask you why you are asking these questions. Are you looking at it as an investment, or as a car to enjoy?
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10-01-2021, 12:45 PM
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as others have said Metzer is worlds ahead of M96 (which is ticking time bomb). Turbo is way better car. Unlike M96 most Metzers don't require rebuild and updates (30 catastrophic causes of failure in M96).
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10-01-2021, 12:53 PM
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I learned a long time ago not to look at cars as an investment.
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10-01-2021, 01:01 PM
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Let's not kid ourselves. All engines will eventually need a rebuild, because all engines have problems. A buddy from PCA already had an engine failure on his GT3 a few years after he bought it new. And he is now potentially facing another large problem.
But this reality doesn't take away from the attractiveness of a turbo. You have a more powerful dry sump engine, and, big brake kit, and it's a turbo which the average Joe finds more attractive than a normally aspirated engine. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it is just what it is...
But this reality doesn't take away from the attractiveness of a turbo. You have a more powerful dry sump engine, and, big brake kit, and it's a turbo which the average Joe finds more attractive than a normally aspirated engine. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong, it is just what it is...
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