Revisiting the idea of using 996 as a daily
#76
For anyone considering a 996 I hope this advise doesn’t come off as rude, it’s certainly not mean to be. If you’re questioning pre-purchase whether or not you have the financial resources to stay on top of 996 maintenance, its not the right car for you. You will constantly drive in fear, ruining the experience.
I know the 996 is not an '80s Ferrari, where I can expect it to be broken down and in the shop constantly. On the other hand, I know it's not going to be a Toyota Camry. At this point I'm just trying to figure out where exactly it lies on that spectrum and exactly how I feel about that. So I really appreciate the feedback everyone has in this thread/forum.
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the_shansen (03-22-2021)
#77
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I've never owned other performance cars, but with a 996 you are basically buying a $20-30k engine and the rest of the car is free. If the engine goes, folk over $20k+ or sell for $5k. Maybe this is oversimplified, but way too many RL posts about people learning the hard way, and usually quickly after buying their "dream car". If I knew then (2 yrs ago) what I know now I wouldn't have bought a 996 with a stock engine, I would (a) buy a roller and send it to F6I and wait for it to be done right, or (b) I'd find one that someone is selling that already has a F6I engine in it. As my signature list reflects, I did just that with my 2nd 911, found one that had already visited Georgia. Good luck, go in eyes wide open.
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#78
Thanks for the candor, OptionMan.
One last question, I’ve read about 997s having issues with bore scoring and that 996s also suffer. Is this one of those expensive issues that hits a small number of vehicles?
One last question, I’ve read about 997s having issues with bore scoring and that 996s also suffer. Is this one of those expensive issues that hits a small number of vehicles?
#79
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Lots of potential causes.
Some are easy to avoid (short trips, improper driving, wrong oil, long drain intervals) and some are hard to avoid. (Fuel quality, Lokasil application quality)
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the_shansen (03-22-2021)
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ND Miata would be a lot cheaper to run.
981 Boxster would likely be cheaper to run, but a LOT more expensive up front.
The Boxster will also depreciate where I believe (IMHO) the 996 will only appreciate from here on.
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#81
For me, it's less a matter of whether I can afford it so much as whether I can justify it. My last fun car was an Acura Integra and that car needed barely anything except for oil changes. That's a tough thing for any performance car to live up to.
I know the 996 is not an '80s Ferrari, where I can expect it to be broken down and in the shop constantly. On the other hand, I know it's not going to be a Toyota Camry. At this point I'm just trying to figure out where exactly it lies on that spectrum and exactly how I feel about that. So I really appreciate the feedback everyone has in this thread/forum.
I know the 996 is not an '80s Ferrari, where I can expect it to be broken down and in the shop constantly. On the other hand, I know it's not going to be a Toyota Camry. At this point I'm just trying to figure out where exactly it lies on that spectrum and exactly how I feel about that. So I really appreciate the feedback everyone has in this thread/forum.
#82
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My next large expenditure for the 996 will be replacing fuel injectors. If I keep racking up the miles I might need to replace the LN retrofit with The Solution in another 2-3 years. Plan on doing the UAOS then as well. By then the suspension parts will most likely need refreshing.......Just need 5% yearly appreciation and the car will pay for itself in the long run!
#84
If you're worried about 996 maintenance please ask yourself if you are bleeding money on apps, Starbucks, takeout, shopping at the local grocery vs. Costco in bulk, cable tv vs. Roku, etc.
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paddlefoot64 (03-22-2021)
#85
I daily my 996.2 C4S. If it breaks, I’ll probably park, have engine rebuilt, drive beater until fixed. It’s that much fun to drive. I really don’t care if it’s not a great investment. I didn’t buy for that.
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sasilverbullet (03-22-2021)
#86
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I've never owned other performance cars, but with a 996 you are basically buying a $20-30k engine and the rest of the car is free. If the engine goes, folk over $20k+ or sell for $5k. Maybe this is oversimplified, but way too many RL posts about people learning the hard way, and usually quickly after buying their "dream car". If I knew then (2 yrs ago) what I know now I wouldn't have bought a 996 with a stock engine, I would (a) buy a roller and send it to F6I and wait for it to be done right, or (b) I'd find one that someone is selling that already has a F6I engine in it. As my signature list reflects, I did just that with my 2nd 911, found one that had already visited Georgia. Good luck, go in eyes wide open.
#87
Thanks everyone for the perspectives.
I'd also appreciate your input as I'm looking at two examples. One is very local and the other is ...close enough.
First is a 2001 C2 with ~49K miles in Arctic Silver. I talked with the owner, and IMS, RMS, Clutch, etc are not done. Only maintenance items during their ownership (3 years/15,000 miles) is oil changes. Asking price is ~$28k. I figure there's about $4K in maintenance/work for IMS/clutch/RMS, brakes, etc.https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...84964295873897
Second is a 2003 C2 with ~27K miles in cobalt blue. IMS recently done at a Pcar dealer, but clutch/RMS not done. Asking is $32K. I figure there's about $2k of upfront maintenance. https://cars.ksl.com/listing/7071652
BAT auctions indicate the 2003 is in market price, but that the 2001 may be overpriced. Curious what you all think.
Thanks!
I'd also appreciate your input as I'm looking at two examples. One is very local and the other is ...close enough.
First is a 2001 C2 with ~49K miles in Arctic Silver. I talked with the owner, and IMS, RMS, Clutch, etc are not done. Only maintenance items during their ownership (3 years/15,000 miles) is oil changes. Asking price is ~$28k. I figure there's about $4K in maintenance/work for IMS/clutch/RMS, brakes, etc.https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...84964295873897
Second is a 2003 C2 with ~27K miles in cobalt blue. IMS recently done at a Pcar dealer, but clutch/RMS not done. Asking is $32K. I figure there's about $2k of upfront maintenance. https://cars.ksl.com/listing/7071652
BAT auctions indicate the 2003 is in market price, but that the 2001 may be overpriced. Curious what you all think.
Thanks!
Given the price differences between the two I'm currently looking at, the 996.2 would need to come down a couple thousand dollars for it to make sense compared to the 996.1 since the 996.1 plus maintenance/IMS/etc is the starting point of the 996.2.
What am I missing though?
#88
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Wow, you have some high standards for maintenance. 996.2's generally go for a couple thousand extra over .1's.
I also paid $3k for my IMS + clutch install at a reputable indy, FWIW.
I also paid $3k for my IMS + clutch install at a reputable indy, FWIW.
#89
I’ve been kicking around the idea of picking up a well sorted and maintained 996 to scratch the Porsche itch I’ve had since I was an 7 yr old. However, I’m facing the reality that despite a low cost to entry, there is a high maintenance cost.
I’ve read through several threads on using a 996 as a daily, but most are 2-4+ years old so I’m looking to obtain a renewed perspective given the passage of time.
Am I crazy to think that a 996 could still be used as a daily driver? Please be frank with your perspectives and don’t hesitate to break my inner child’s heart.
Additional details: I live in Utah and have a Subaru, which would continue to be my poor weather vehicle. I probably around 8,000 miles on the odometer a year.
Cheers!
I’ve read through several threads on using a 996 as a daily, but most are 2-4+ years old so I’m looking to obtain a renewed perspective given the passage of time.
Am I crazy to think that a 996 could still be used as a daily driver? Please be frank with your perspectives and don’t hesitate to break my inner child’s heart.
Additional details: I live in Utah and have a Subaru, which would continue to be my poor weather vehicle. I probably around 8,000 miles on the odometer a year.
Cheers!
Interesting thread nonetheless.
HD
#90
I've been watching the F6I YouTube series on bore scoring (best/worst horror show I've seen in years) so I was going with a 6 month OCI as the expectation.