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Old 03-21-2021, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Optionman1
For anyone considering a 996 I hope this advise doesn’t come off as rude, it’s certainly not mean to be. If you’re questioning pre-purchase whether or not you have the financial resources to stay on top of 996 maintenance, its not the right car for you. You will constantly drive in fear, ruining the experience.
For me, it's less a matter of whether I can afford it so much as whether I can justify it. My last fun car was an Acura Integra and that car needed barely anything except for oil changes. That's a tough thing for any performance car to live up to.

I know the 996 is not an '80s Ferrari, where I can expect it to be broken down and in the shop constantly. On the other hand, I know it's not going to be a Toyota Camry. At this point I'm just trying to figure out where exactly it lies on that spectrum and exactly how I feel about that. So I really appreciate the feedback everyone has in this thread/forum.
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Old 03-21-2021, 08:29 PM
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I've never owned other performance cars, but with a 996 you are basically buying a $20-30k engine and the rest of the car is free. If the engine goes, folk over $20k+ or sell for $5k. Maybe this is oversimplified, but way too many RL posts about people learning the hard way, and usually quickly after buying their "dream car". If I knew then (2 yrs ago) what I know now I wouldn't have bought a 996 with a stock engine, I would (a) buy a roller and send it to F6I and wait for it to be done right, or (b) I'd find one that someone is selling that already has a F6I engine in it. As my signature list reflects, I did just that with my 2nd 911, found one that had already visited Georgia. Good luck, go in eyes wide open.
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Old 03-22-2021, 12:57 AM
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Thanks for the candor, OptionMan.

One last question, I’ve read about 997s having issues with bore scoring and that 996s also suffer. Is this one of those expensive issues that hits a small number of vehicles?
Old 03-22-2021, 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by the_shansen
One last question, I’ve read about 997s having issues with bore scoring and that 996s also suffer. Is this one of those expensive issues that hits a small number of vehicles?
No, it’s an expensive problem that’s affecting a large number of cars.
Lots of potential causes.
Some are easy to avoid (short trips, improper driving, wrong oil, long drain intervals) and some are hard to avoid. (Fuel quality, Lokasil application quality)

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Originally Posted by RobertM525
Yes, that was another good one:

I keep wondering how this compares to, say, an E46 M3 or an ND2 Miata or even a 981 Boxster.
E46 M3 would probably be similar or slightly cheaper to run.
ND Miata would be a lot cheaper to run.
981 Boxster would likely be cheaper to run, but a LOT more expensive up front.
The Boxster will also depreciate where I believe (IMHO) the 996 will only appreciate from here on.

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Old 03-22-2021, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by RobertM525
For me, it's less a matter of whether I can afford it so much as whether I can justify it. My last fun car was an Acura Integra and that car needed barely anything except for oil changes. That's a tough thing for any performance car to live up to.

I know the 996 is not an '80s Ferrari, where I can expect it to be broken down and in the shop constantly. On the other hand, I know it's not going to be a Toyota Camry. At this point I'm just trying to figure out where exactly it lies on that spectrum and exactly how I feel about that. So I really appreciate the feedback everyone has in this thread/forum.
I think that once the deferred maintenance is sorted, you will have a very reliable car that won't depreciate. A 986 Boxster is a lot cheaper to buy, but most likely just as expensive to run and keep updated on maintenance.
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My next large expenditure for the 996 will be replacing fuel injectors. If I keep racking up the miles I might need to replace the LN retrofit with The Solution in another 2-3 years. Plan on doing the UAOS then as well. By then the suspension parts will most likely need refreshing.......Just need 5% yearly appreciation and the car will pay for itself in the long run!
Old 03-22-2021, 10:25 AM
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I've dailied my 996 for the past 2.5 years. Purchased a well maintained 996.1 manual 127,xxx mile car. Currently sitting at 137,xxx. No complaints yet.
Old 03-22-2021, 10:52 AM
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If you're worried about 996 maintenance please ask yourself if you are bleeding money on apps, Starbucks, takeout, shopping at the local grocery vs. Costco in bulk, cable tv vs. Roku, etc.
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I daily my 996.2 C4S. If it breaks, I’ll probably park, have engine rebuilt, drive beater until fixed. It’s that much fun to drive. I really don’t care if it’s not a great investment. I didn’t buy for that.
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Originally Posted by Optionman1
I've never owned other performance cars, but with a 996 you are basically buying a $20-30k engine and the rest of the car is free. If the engine goes, folk over $20k+ or sell for $5k. Maybe this is oversimplified, but way too many RL posts about people learning the hard way, and usually quickly after buying their "dream car". If I knew then (2 yrs ago) what I know now I wouldn't have bought a 996 with a stock engine, I would (a) buy a roller and send it to F6I and wait for it to be done right, or (b) I'd find one that someone is selling that already has a F6I engine in it. As my signature list reflects, I did just that with my 2nd 911, found one that had already visited Georgia. Good luck, go in eyes wide open.
That’s a bit like it was with air-cooled cars. Wait for a top-end rebuild and buy that car, or roll the dice and have to do a top-end at some point. Back then (2003-2006), those cars were $17k all day long.
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Originally Posted by the_shansen
Thanks everyone for the perspectives.

I'd also appreciate your input as I'm looking at two examples. One is very local and the other is ...close enough.

First is a 2001 C2 with ~49K miles in Arctic Silver. I talked with the owner, and IMS, RMS, Clutch, etc are not done. Only maintenance items during their ownership (3 years/15,000 miles) is oil changes. Asking price is ~$28k. I figure there's about $4K in maintenance/work for IMS/clutch/RMS, brakes, etc.https://www.facebook.com/marketplace...84964295873897

Second is a 2003 C2 with ~27K miles in cobalt blue. IMS recently done at a Pcar dealer, but clutch/RMS not done. Asking is $32K. I figure there's about $2k of upfront maintenance. https://cars.ksl.com/listing/7071652

BAT auctions indicate the 2003 is in market price, but that the 2001 may be overpriced. Curious what you all think.

Thanks!
I talked to the owner of the 996.2 - and the IMS bearing was done in 3/2016 with a ceramic LN bearing. My understanding is that those have a 4 year/50,000 mile service interval so that would need to be done again and/or go with the IMS Solution. Either way, probably $4K+ to bring that part and the other maintenance up to date. I've also learned that both cars had an oil change annually, which is less than I prefer to be deemed "well-maintained".

Given the price differences between the two I'm currently looking at, the 996.2 would need to come down a couple thousand dollars for it to make sense compared to the 996.1 since the 996.1 plus maintenance/IMS/etc is the starting point of the 996.2.

What am I missing though?
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Wow, you have some high standards for maintenance. 996.2's generally go for a couple thousand extra over .1's.

I also paid $3k for my IMS + clutch install at a reputable indy, FWIW.
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Originally Posted by the_shansen
I’ve been kicking around the idea of picking up a well sorted and maintained 996 to scratch the Porsche itch I’ve had since I was an 7 yr old. However, I’m facing the reality that despite a low cost to entry, there is a high maintenance cost.

I’ve read through several threads on using a 996 as a daily, but most are 2-4+ years old so I’m looking to obtain a renewed perspective given the passage of time.

Am I crazy to think that a 996 could still be used as a daily driver? Please be frank with your perspectives and don’t hesitate to break my inner child’s heart.

Additional details: I live in Utah and have a Subaru, which would continue to be my poor weather vehicle. I probably around 8,000 miles on the odometer a year.


Cheers!
I'm in the market for my first 911, but I would never consider it for my daily driver. Part of that may be due to my particular circumstances, as I live in Los Angeles but definitely want a manual tranny. Luckily, my commute involves very little stop-and-go traffic, but even so, I'd want it as a second vehicle, not a first. I live near some great canyons, and would also like to use the vehicle for short vacations up and down the coastline.

Interesting thread nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by koth442
Wow, you have some high standards for maintenance. 996.2's generally go for a couple thousand extra over .1's.

I also paid $3k for my IMS + clutch install at a reputable indy, FWIW.
It's very possible I'm overthinking things so I appreciate being talked off the ledge. I came to the $4K amount for clutch, IMS, RMS (maybe AOS) and flushing all fluids since both examples haven't had fluids flushed in 3+ years. Just trying to go in with eyes wide open.

I've been watching the F6I YouTube series on bore scoring (best/worst horror show I've seen in years) so I was going with a 6 month OCI as the expectation.


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