At a crossroads on my 1999 996 C2 Coupe
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At a crossroads on my 1999 996 C2 Coupe
I am the third owner, having bought this car in 2001, then two years old, from a co-worker who keeps meticulous care of his cars. I've put on ~30,000 miles in the ~18 years I've owned it, with much of the last 8 years sitting under cover in my garage. Dusting it off now, poring through this forum (awesome resource!), and debating whether to: (1) drive more or less as is; (2) perform IMS, RMC, clutch, etc., and continue to drive it for years; or (3) sell as is and buy a Tesla. I am leaning toward option 1, with a basic program of typical maintenance. Local dealers here in Silicon Valley (can there be a more expensive place to have a Porsche serviced??) are quoting almost $4,000 to perform IMS, and my recent research suggests the car is worth in the low teens with IMS done, so if wikipedia is right, that ~1% of early 996's will have a major IMS failure, I'm inclined to roll the dice and drive it as is. Being suddenly stranded somewhere if I am unlucky doesn't bother me. It becomes a roller, I take an uber home, and go buy that Tesla.
So over the past week I've picked up the Bentley bible, the 101 projects book, and have spent too many hours reading all your great posts here. I think I'll run the Blackstone oil analysis, check the oil filter on a change this week, and assuming no major bad news, the tactical project list then includes:
Roller valuation: if my engine blew tomorrow, any predictions of value post tragedy?
Thanks all. A few pics attached. The underneath photos were 5 minutes with my phone in the driveway. See anything that portends big bills or broken heart?
Kelly
Manufactured in Feb 1998
Need to look up the option codes. Car is pretty stock though.
So over the past week I've picked up the Bentley bible, the 101 projects book, and have spent too many hours reading all your great posts here. I think I'll run the Blackstone oil analysis, check the oil filter on a change this week, and assuming no major bad news, the tactical project list then includes:
- basic maintenance as prescribed by the factory, probably targeting the 60,000 mile list
- personal vow to change oil every 6mo or 5,000 whichever comes first
- drive it hard most of the time, with RPMs > 2,000 and foot firmly on one one pedal or another
- radio upgrade to get AM/FM and Bluetooth. Thinking the Continental radio covered in this 993 project post.
- clear out all drain ways (currently feeling damp carpet behind driver seat)
- fix driver window regulator, which just failed recently
- replace windshield (pitted, worn, ruins a beautiful day in a beautiful car)
- minor paint touch up
- implement the clever "cheap key" solution, as I currently have only one key
- replace frunk shocks
- buy a decent car cover
- tires and pads are good for now, but will need both within 2020
- MacGyver a combo solution of cup holder and phone holder, wedged gently between center console and shotgun seat. Haven't seen any aftermarket solution that does what I want here. Maybe I'll even try to get wireless charging into the phone holder.
- fix a few minor issues broken inside: both visor mirror flaps, center console hinge
- shampoo carpets and original floor mats
Roller valuation: if my engine blew tomorrow, any predictions of value post tragedy?
Thanks all. A few pics attached. The underneath photos were 5 minutes with my phone in the driveway. See anything that portends big bills or broken heart?
Kelly
Manufactured in Feb 1998
Need to look up the option codes. Car is pretty stock though.
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Ratchet1025 (12-30-2019)
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Question for ya. If you've driven it for 18 years without issue, why are you worried about it blowing up tomorrow? It's a 99, so less prone to IMSB issues. If you are asking for opinions, I'd vote for maintaining and driving that awesome C2! I also can't think of a more boring appliance than a Tesla. Rode in an S model a few weeks back. Pretty dull. Miles away from a sports car. Also check out shops in the East Bay. Might be cheaper than SV.
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Ratchet1025 (12-30-2019)
#3
Burning Brakes
If it has spent the last 8 years covered up then 1. you must not “Need” the money from it but 2. you must also not really enjoy it. If it has no sentimental value then just get a different car you will enjoy as chances are you will just cover it up again.
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I am the third owner, having bought this car in 2001, then two years old, from a co-worker who keeps meticulous care of his cars. I've put on ~30,000 miles in the ~18 years I've owned it, with much of the last 8 years sitting under cover in my garage. Dusting it off now, poring through this forum (awesome resource!), and debating whether to: (1) drive more or less as is; (2) perform IMS, RMC, clutch, etc., and continue to drive it for years; or (3) sell as is and buy a Tesla. I am leaning toward option 1, with a basic program of typical maintenance. Local dealers here in Silicon Valley (can there be a more expensive place to have a Porsche serviced??) are quoting almost $4,000 to perform IMS, and my recent research suggests the car is worth in the low teens with IMS done, so if wikipedia is right, that ~1% of early 996's will have a major IMS failure, I'm inclined to roll the dice and drive it as is. Being suddenly stranded somewhere if I am unlucky doesn't bother me. It becomes a roller, I take an uber home, and go buy that Tesla.
So over the past week I've picked up the Bentley bible, the 101 projects book, and have spent too many hours reading all your great posts here. I think I'll run the Blackstone oil analysis, check the oil filter on a change this week, and assuming no major bad news, the tactical project list then includes:
Roller valuation: if my engine blew tomorrow, any predictions of value post tragedy?
Thanks all. A few pics attached. The underneath photos were 5 minutes with my phone in the driveway. See anything that portends big bills or broken heart?
Kelly
Manufactured in Feb 1998
Need to look up the option codes. Car is pretty stock though.
So over the past week I've picked up the Bentley bible, the 101 projects book, and have spent too many hours reading all your great posts here. I think I'll run the Blackstone oil analysis, check the oil filter on a change this week, and assuming no major bad news, the tactical project list then includes:
- basic maintenance as prescribed by the factory, probably targeting the 60,000 mile list
- personal vow to change oil every 6mo or 5,000 whichever comes first
- drive it hard most of the time, with RPMs > 2,000 and foot firmly on one one pedal or another
- radio upgrade to get AM/FM and Bluetooth. Thinking the Continental radio covered in this 993 project post.
- clear out all drain ways (currently feeling damp carpet behind driver seat)
- fix driver window regulator, which just failed recently
- replace windshield (pitted, worn, ruins a beautiful day in a beautiful car)
- minor paint touch up
- implement the clever "cheap key" solution, as I currently have only one key
- replace frunk shocks
- buy a decent car cover
- tires and pads are good for now, but will need both within 2020
- MacGyver a combo solution of cup holder and phone holder, wedged gently between center console and shotgun seat. Haven't seen any aftermarket solution that does what I want here. Maybe I'll even try to get wireless charging into the phone holder.
- fix a few minor issues broken inside: both visor mirror flaps, center console hinge
- shampoo carpets and original floor mats
Roller valuation: if my engine blew tomorrow, any predictions of value post tragedy?
Thanks all. A few pics attached. The underneath photos were 5 minutes with my phone in the driveway. See anything that portends big bills or broken heart?
Kelly
Manufactured in Feb 1998
Need to look up the option codes. Car is pretty stock though.
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Beautiful early '98 production 996. The car looks immaculate! Dual row IMS so I wouldn't worry about that for the moment. Are those hollow spoke wheels?
#6
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How many miles are actually on it? I can't imagine it's worth only low teens, while it might not fetch higher amounts on the 996 spectrum it doesn't look like a dud. First and foremost with it sitting for so long find a good independent shop and have them go through it and see what they recommend. If you have a leak in the rear main seal you might as well do the IMS while you are in there. I know you are in one of the most expensive parts of the country but a good indy should be cheaper than a dealer. After that drive it a little and see how you feel. I've always liked red with the beige interior, it seems like such a classic look.
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Thanks all for your quick and thoughtful responses. I wish I knew how to multi-quote, without spending all afternoon cutting and pasting, but here are some responses/clarifications:
Kelly
- I *do* love driving the car
- Work situation for 5+ years was such that the optics of driving *this* car was problematic. Thus the 2005 F150 crew cab with lumber rack. ;-)
- #1 reason to switch to a Tesla is not performance, it's environmental conscience, esp with two younger kids (11 and 7) talking about it daily
- I am not living in daily fear of IMS explosion, and agree that if I've made it this far (apparently), chances are good I am in the Lucky Majority on IMS
- Yes, keeping both is an option, though wife might not be too happy with that driveway-wise, but yes.
- One of you asked about the wheels. No clue as to the vernacular. They are original from the factory, whatever they're called.
- 52k miles on it. First 2 years it live in Austin, Bay Area ever since.
Kelly
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Oooh, just figured out multi-quote!
East Bay shops a good idea.
See prior post. I do love the car and love driving it. 2nd gear my fav, going over toward the coast on a tight windy road.
Agree, I could very likely have seller's remorse ...
Thanks all.
Question for ya. If you've driven it for 18 years without issue, why are you worried about it blowing up tomorrow? It's a 99, so less prone to IMSB issues. If you are asking for opinions, I'd vote for maintaining and driving that awesome C2! I also can't think of a more boring appliance than a Tesla. Rode in an S model a few weeks back. Pretty dull. Miles away from a sports car. Also check out shops in the East Bay. Might be cheaper than SV.
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Ratchet1025 (12-31-2019)
#9
Three Wheelin'
I think getting it sorted and driving it a bit is your best option since you don't need to sell it. If you just sell it you might regret it, if you get it sorted, drive it a bit and then decide it's okay to let it go you will have a clear conscience over it.
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Three Wheelin'
Also, not sure I believe in the whole “environmentally friendly” thing with Tesla, or any other electric car. Lithium mining and what happens when the batteries have served their lifecycle are not what I’d consider “sustainable”.
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That's a real beauty, original right down to the factory Becker CDR210 radio and exterior lights.
generally don't like red 996s but the fried egg headlights and amber tails are a very nice contrast! The white (silver?) inserts in the bumper are interesting.
If you want to know the options:
234 Internal production code related to tyres
408 18" 993 Turbo Technology hollow spoke wheels (haven't seen these in Hollow spoke before, poster above was right!)
424 CD compartment (seems to be missing, replaced with a secondary storage cubby)
437 8-way electrical seat, left
438 8-way electrical seat, right
490 Basic sound system
537 Seat memory, left
688 CD-radio Becker Porsche CDR-210 USA
936 Leather rear seats
983 Leather front seats
I've got a 99 just like this but a few months "newer"
Has 134k miles, a stack of maintenance records and I'm the third owner. I'm going to drive it til the wheels fall off and fix what comes up.
generally don't like red 996s but the fried egg headlights and amber tails are a very nice contrast! The white (silver?) inserts in the bumper are interesting.
If you want to know the options:
234 Internal production code related to tyres
408 18" 993 Turbo Technology hollow spoke wheels (haven't seen these in Hollow spoke before, poster above was right!)
424 CD compartment (seems to be missing, replaced with a secondary storage cubby)
437 8-way electrical seat, left
438 8-way electrical seat, right
490 Basic sound system
537 Seat memory, left
688 CD-radio Becker Porsche CDR-210 USA
936 Leather rear seats
983 Leather front seats
I've got a 99 just like this but a few months "newer"
Has 134k miles, a stack of maintenance records and I'm the third owner. I'm going to drive it til the wheels fall off and fix what comes up.
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I think purchasing a new car (let alone one that requires a lot of mining to produce, heavily reliant on aluminum production, with large batteries being shipped around the world, and uncertain end of life cycle recycling of said corrosive metals -and is powered by whatever the electric grid relies on) is more damaging to the environment than using a properly operating modern car with emission controls for the rest of it's useful life.
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Most People have no clue about "environmentally friendly" when it comes to EV!
When was the last oil change and the one before that? Old acidic oil eats bearings...
When was the last oil change and the one before that? Old acidic oil eats bearings...
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Thanks all for your quick and thoughtful responses. I wish I knew how to multi-quote, without spending all afternoon cutting and pasting, but here are some responses/clarifications:
Kelly
- I *do* love driving the car
- Work situation for 5+ years was such that the optics of driving *this* car was problematic. Thus the 2005 F150 crew cab with lumber rack. ;-)
- #1 reason to switch to a Tesla is not performance, it's environmental conscience, esp with two younger kids (11 and 7) talking about it daily
- I am not living in daily fear of IMS explosion, and agree that if I've made it this far (apparently), chances are good I am in the Lucky Majority on IMS
- Yes, keeping both is an option, though wife might not be too happy with that driveway-wise, but yes.
- One of you asked about the wheels. No clue as to the vernacular. They are original from the factory, whatever they're called.
- 52k miles on it. First 2 years it live in Austin, Bay Area ever since.
Kelly
"But it's a Porsche"
That it is, Ace.
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