Anyone seen the new 2013 Boxster?
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Agreed, the Boxster is the best all around value in the Porsche family and is a true Porsche. All you need to do is drive one to understand. Two trunks, nice interior and a convertible sounds good to me.
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I wouldn't spend $50K on a BMW 335 when there is the M3. Or $60K on a Mercedes SLK350 when they have the SLK55. Or $50K on an Audi S4 when they have the RS4.
My point is, why spend $80K on a car that the company that makes it deliberately makes it less than it could be, solely so that their flagship car doesn't feel threatened? I don't get that thinking.
I'm not saying the Boxster isn't a great car, or Porsche's "value leader". But if I'm spending $80,000 on a car, I don't want the company's 2nd place lesser model, regardless of the brand. Especially if they're keeping it in 2nd place on purpose.
But that's just me
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I think you miss my point; it's not just 911 owners or Porsche.
I wouldn't spend $50K on a BMW 335 when there is the M3. Or $60K on a Mercedes SLK350 when they have the SLK55. Or $50K on an Audi S4 when they have the RS4.
My point is, why spend $80K on a car that the company that makes it deliberately makes it less than it could be, solely so that their flagship car doesn't feel threatened? I don't get that thinking.
If I'm spending $80K on a car, I don't want the company's 2nd place lesser model, regardless of the brand. Especially if they're keeping it in 2nd place on purpose.
But that's just me
I wouldn't spend $50K on a BMW 335 when there is the M3. Or $60K on a Mercedes SLK350 when they have the SLK55. Or $50K on an Audi S4 when they have the RS4.
My point is, why spend $80K on a car that the company that makes it deliberately makes it less than it could be, solely so that their flagship car doesn't feel threatened? I don't get that thinking.
If I'm spending $80K on a car, I don't want the company's 2nd place lesser model, regardless of the brand. Especially if they're keeping it in 2nd place on purpose.
But that's just me
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$60K, $80K, makes little difference. I think you're still not able to catch the essence of what I'm saying.
Guess what the price will be for the average one out the door. Much closer to $80K than $60K. Not that it matters much to you, I suspect
Guess what the price will be for the average one out the door. Much closer to $80K than $60K. Not that it matters much to you, I suspect
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Sold a 986 Boxster S to get into the 993, had them parked next to each other for a week waiting on the new owner to pick it up. That series of Boxster seemed larger than the 993, interior width wise especially. Performance was close, but I'd say the Boxster easily handled better. If past resale was an indicator, wait a few years and you could have a 981 for $40k, JMHO. Chris Harris raved on it:
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I think you miss my point; it's not just 911 owners or Porsche.
I wouldn't spend $50K on a BMW 335 when there is the M3. Or $60K on a Mercedes SLK350 when they have the SLK55. Or $50K on an Audi S4 when they have the RS4.
My point is, why spend $80K on a car that the company that makes it deliberately makes it less than it could be, solely so that their flagship car doesn't feel threatened? I don't get that thinking.
I'm not saying the Boxster isn't a great car, or Porsche's "value leader". But if I'm spending $80,000 on a car, I don't want the company's 2nd place lesser model, regardless of the brand. Especially if they're keeping it in 2nd place on purpose.
But that's just me
I wouldn't spend $50K on a BMW 335 when there is the M3. Or $60K on a Mercedes SLK350 when they have the SLK55. Or $50K on an Audi S4 when they have the RS4.
My point is, why spend $80K on a car that the company that makes it deliberately makes it less than it could be, solely so that their flagship car doesn't feel threatened? I don't get that thinking.
I'm not saying the Boxster isn't a great car, or Porsche's "value leader". But if I'm spending $80,000 on a car, I don't want the company's 2nd place lesser model, regardless of the brand. Especially if they're keeping it in 2nd place on purpose.
But that's just me
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I already priced one as I would buy it....posted earlier in this thread. $71K and that includes $5500 to get it in orange.
As long as we are talking compromise....doesn't Porsche compromise performance by keeping the engine in the rear of the 911?
As long as we are talking compromise....doesn't Porsche compromise performance by keeping the engine in the rear of the 911?
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$50,450 w/ destination. Admittedly, they probably still want to charge you for air in the tires...........
How so, on a full weight street platform? Compare apples-to-apples '69 911T to '70 914-6, and you've got a point. None of us are ever going to drive that far out on the edge with today's product, however.
On track? Honestly, and maybe it's because this old dog has been around with rear engineds for so many years, but I'll take the braking and off-corner acceleration capabilities of a 911 against any other configuration of similar vintage/weight/tire/prep level.
On track? Honestly, and maybe it's because this old dog has been around with rear engineds for so many years, but I'll take the braking and off-corner acceleration capabilities of a 911 against any other configuration of similar vintage/weight/tire/prep level.
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All valid points, but at the end of day it make sense esp from a business point of view. It's all about market share, sales, growing the brand etc and Porsche has to create models to capture different people/income levels. If there was no boxster, something else has to be in 2nd place behind the 911. There is always someone out there wanting to buy a 335 with no need the for the M3 and of course vice versa.
Today the boxster is still the superior driver's sport car vs say it's direct competitors the Z4, SLK's etc. And priced competitively too, esp if your looking at the M or AMG versions. Porsche appears to be a market leader in this segment of cars. They have stepped it up significantly, think back in the early 986 Boxster days, a Honda S2000 could outrun it. Now literally no car in this HP range could drive better IMO, think again Sypder and Cayman R - on def a market of it's own.
There is just so much history behind the 911 (especially racing) and a huge following, how would it make sense to have a new model exceed it?
In a similar approach it makes no sense for a 3 series to be more luxurious than a 5 series. It's deliberately toned down.
When the average person thinks Porsche, they immediately associate 911 as the flagship sports car.
Today the boxster is still the superior driver's sport car vs say it's direct competitors the Z4, SLK's etc. And priced competitively too, esp if your looking at the M or AMG versions. Porsche appears to be a market leader in this segment of cars. They have stepped it up significantly, think back in the early 986 Boxster days, a Honda S2000 could outrun it. Now literally no car in this HP range could drive better IMO, think again Sypder and Cayman R - on def a market of it's own.
There is just so much history behind the 911 (especially racing) and a huge following, how would it make sense to have a new model exceed it?
In a similar approach it makes no sense for a 3 series to be more luxurious than a 5 series. It's deliberately toned down.
When the average person thinks Porsche, they immediately associate 911 as the flagship sports car.
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$50,450 w/ destination. Admittedly, they probably still want to charge you for air in the tires...........
How so, on a full weight street platform? Compare apples-to-apples '69 911T to '70 914-6, and you've got a point. None of us are ever going to drive that far out on the edge with today's product, however.
On track? Honestly, and maybe it's because this old dog has been around with rear engineds for so many years, but I'll take the braking and off-corner acceleration capabilities of a 911 against any other configuration of similar vintage/weight/tire/prep level.
How so, on a full weight street platform? Compare apples-to-apples '69 911T to '70 914-6, and you've got a point. None of us are ever going to drive that far out on the edge with today's product, however.
On track? Honestly, and maybe it's because this old dog has been around with rear engineds for so many years, but I'll take the braking and off-corner acceleration capabilities of a 911 against any other configuration of similar vintage/weight/tire/prep level.
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And as far as the mid/rear thing, there IS a lot in the feel between the platforms. But it's nothing you don't work around. And today with what the 991 must be like, I'll have to ask one of the pros when I get a chance if he can actually tell it's rear engined anymore.
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Well, without the rear spoiler, our cars quickly will become airborn. And most of use 993 Turbo owners & enthusiasts don't have the proper instrument ratings. It really is the only thing keeping us on the ground.
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