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Old 03-20-2012 | 06:59 PM
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Bummer! Good to hear you are ok Ken!! thanks for posting the video as it helps guys like me learn.
Old 03-20-2012 | 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by TheOtherEric
This is a perfect vid for a novice/intermediate because this is how many/most novice offs occur: right after a pass. I teach my students to brake really early after making a pass -- you gotta think about YOURSELF in that situation. The guy you passed WILL slow down and tuck in behind you, so don't worry about him. You really have to fight your instincts here, and sometimes we lose that battle.
Seems like solid advice, I will lock that in my mind for this season at the track.
Old 03-20-2012 | 07:51 PM
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Glad you're okay Ken. Having just replaced the entire rear end of a 993 I feel your pain. Things can turn sour real fast, especially when someone drops coolant. Hopefully, you'll get the Zonker all fixed up and back on track this summer. FWIW, I had to order the quarter from Porsche Germany. Let me know if you need any help sourcing parts, I'm a seasoned pro these days.

Pic right after the quarter was cut off:
Old 03-20-2012 | 08:08 PM
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Pat,
Is that at Euro Pros? If so, I spent quite a bit of time checking it out today.


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glad you're alright.
Old 03-20-2012 | 09:20 PM
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Catching back up on some specific things.

Originally Posted by vanguard
working the shifter takes so much concentration. it looks like having your hand a split second longer away from steering wheel caused the car to drift wide (probably too much force to turn it back in with one hand?).
No, not at all. Power steering and a Borg Warner syncrho trans (aka G50) are sooooo much easier than a manual rack car with Porsche syncrhos (aka 741/901/915/930). I had my desired just-overtaken-the-guy line into 6. Walking the car 2 wheels off was what I knew was going to happen pretty much the moment I hit the apex. Else, you do the rookie spin/100% chance of hitting the wall right past the exit. Look for the rubber across the track after a typical track weekend.

Originally Posted by solomonschris
Ouch! That is a bummer but I hope you keep going to the track. Your posts are very informed by your years of tracking. I love that you can be specific about what a given tire would mean "2 seconds a lap at .....track", or this mod would be 10mph more trap speed. It's very informative, so I hope you keep racing, posting and stay safe.....Chris
Thanks. Always glad to share what I've observed and experienced over the decades.

Originally Posted by TheOtherEric
This is a perfect vid for a novice/intermediate because this is how many/most novice offs occur: right after a pass. I teach my students to brake really early after making a pass -- you gotta think about YOURSELF in that situation. The guy you passed WILL slow down and tuck in behind you, so don't worry about him. You really have to fight your instincts here, and sometimes we lose that battle.
Let's take a step back here--this, plainly, was a racing pass. Not under braking, but nonetheless a competition-style pass. No way, no how is a beginner/intermediate making a pass like that intentionally on my watch. Note the "intentionally." If I'm right seat (or left seat if I ever instruct in the UK, etc.!), and we get the point by but the guy doesn't lift, I will absolutely keep my student from taking the pass. But you're right about if the student enters the turn contra to what we're otherwise teaching--gotta get him/her slowed down and on the apex, no matter what.
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Originally Posted by Paddy
Glad you're okay Ken. Having just replaced the entire rear end of a 993 I feel your pain. Things can turn sour real fast, especially when someone drops coolant. Hopefully, you'll get the Zonker all fixed up and back on track this summer. FWIW, I had to order the quarter from Porsche Germany. Let me know if you need any help sourcing parts, I'm a seasoned pro these days.

Pic right after the quarter was cut off:
If I have to go to this extent to repair the sheetmetal, the car will likely end up very RSR looking..........
Old 03-20-2012 | 09:35 PM
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K- Glad you're ok.......and the tail kept coming around on you !
Even though I saw the damage pics 1st, it looked like you were gonna stuff the nose into the wall for a second !

Best of luck with the repair
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Old 03-20-2012 | 10:22 PM
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So sorry m8. Glad you are ok.
Old 03-20-2012 | 11:12 PM
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Glad you are ok Ken. From experience, methinks the ego will take longer to repair than the car....


As you say, over-hot on-line entry speed on a tight overtaking line definitely caused the wide exit, from then on you took the only available option. Looking at the rear view of the distance to the 964, there is a suggestion that you could have cut back onto the optimum line before the bend, but that would only be possible at the expense of his braking area, so all things considered you just did the right thing at the wrong speed. Tough break, you have my sympathy.
Old 03-20-2012 | 11:26 PM
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Bummer... but $**t happens. Glad you are Ok and your can can be fixed.

Glad that you take the time to review the events to learn from it.
Old 03-21-2012 | 12:50 AM
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bummer, ken.
glad you are ok though.
sh*t happens on track. ask how i know.
Old 03-21-2012 | 01:40 AM
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Thanks for sharing and sorry about the car.
Old 03-21-2012 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan V
Wow that could have been a lot worse! I've crashed on that part of the track 100 times in Forza.
+1, but no Rewind button on this one.

Sucks about that other car being a hardarse on letting you by.
Old 03-21-2012 | 06:37 AM
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Takes a lot of guts to openly share the more venerable moments in life, glad you are OK!

The lesson I personally take out from this is to not get upset by other slower drivers holding you up during track days, there are no points to be won anyway....just let yourself drop down half a lap or take a quick pit and let the fun start all over again.

These cars are still fast enough to get you in a mess real quick.....don't even want to know what would have happened with a less experienced person behind the wheel.

Good luck sorting the damage!


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