AFKC

Had a 96 993, and currently own a 91 C2. As others have mentioned, the 993 did feel more refined but I enjoy driving the 964 just as much. After I sold my 993 I went through an S4 and an M3 before I decided on another Porsche. I started looking for another 993, and noticed that the 964's were such a great value. I would prefer a 993, but can not justify the extra $ for the 993. You can take the extra $ saved and dial in the 964 just the way you want it, which is what I am in the process of doing. As for mechanical problems, (knock on wood) my 993 had 0 issues and the 964 has so far been problem free. Both cars had all records from new though.

AFKC

current car 91 C2 5spd 52k miles...do miss the 6spd from the 993

autobonrun

Bill wrote a great comparison.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsc...-analysis.html

ilko

What's your budget? If <$30K look for a well sorted 964. If >$30K look for a 993.

77'3.6vram

Like someone said.TRY TO FIND A 964 Coupe(92-94) in good unmolested state.You will be looking for a long time and the prices are the same now for either car.There is a far greater selection of 993's on the market today.They are unbeleavible value for under 30k.The 964 needs to have the valves checked every 7000 miles.It only has a 5 speed box and the rear suspension is a major plus for a 993.They have real working AC and simply look much better.Given the current market there is no question the 993 is the better car both in value and reliability/service costs.Period!Call Steve Weiner and get his opinion.Look at what Holt and TruSpeed are selling.They do not have 964's on there inventories because the prices went soo low on the 964's in the last ten years that allot have been owned by people that have no place buying or trying to maintain them and therefore have been neglected at some point.You can still find 2-3 ,scumbag free,owner 993's.If you want to buy in the next two to three months now is the time for a 993 purchase.No question.

billapo

I owned a 91 c4 Cab that I liked for the classic style, but I did have oil leaks when it sat for a period of time.
I have owned two 993 Cabs, a 95 C4 and currently, a 98 Cab.
I like the styling of the 993's best, but overall the cars seemed to perform as expected.

1pcarnut

Owned a 91 C2 and later a 91 turbo. Both great cars with no issues. I think the 964 is the bargain of the 911 world. I liked the 5-speed tranny, I think it shifts slightly better than the 6-speed, the 90 and 91s had some clutch and cylinder head leaking issues but if you find one that has been updated, they are a solid car. They are the last of the "stove-pipe" front fendered 911s and I like them a lot. I would have no problem owning one.

996scott

Thanks guys for the imput. I must say i was expecting there to be a little more push towards the 993, but it sounds like they are both very good cars if you can get the good one. I will keep my options open for both and see what comes up. I am not in a hurry so I will wait for the right one. ilko, i think you are right about the price. Under $30k will buy a nice 964 and over $30K I would start looking at a 993.

PNogC2S

There's a big difference between the reliability, of the two that has not been addressed. You didn't specify in you post whether you were considering an awd car, but since you mentioned SLC, I figure that may be a consideration. The 993 C4/C4S have a much more reliable and simple awd mechanism than the 964 C4 (I've heard that system is a nightmare) ... so if you are considering it for year round driving in SLC, this may be a big consideration. In that case the 993 would be the clear choice.

ilko

I disagree. The 964 C4 system is a lot more complex compared to the 993. But that does not make it unreliable. In addition, in my experience having owned both versions, I found the 964 C4 to be better in the snow. YMMV.

PNogC2S

Perhaps "reliable" was a bad choice of words, I meant "costly to fix when something does go wrong". And as the cars age, that becomes more of a likelihood.
I've not owned one myself, so I must admit I have no personal experience with it, but have read numerous warnings about the "sputnik" awd system in the 964 C4.

DAVISRILEY

The 964 C4 awd system is more complex, yes. I would have to argue about it being more problematic though. I have seen quite a few 993 front difs get replaced though. I don't know if it's a function of there being less 964 c4's versus the 993 c4, but the only issues that I have seen with the 964 have been accelerometer issues(which can usually be fixed by cleaning the sensor), and leaking diff lock actuators. I have heard of some that had some issues with the clutch packs in the diffs, but I have never personally seen that. Like Ilko, I tracked my C4 and never had any issue.

77'3.6vram

964 C4 is a major pice of ****!The main reason is that it does not feel like a /drive like a 911.There is the sensation of being pulled through turns,like a front wheeled drive car.The 993 C4 feels like a rear engined rear wheel drive with slightly heavier steering.This is true for the 993 Turbo as well,but, neither 993 (c2 or c4) feels like a front wheeled drive like the 964.I own both 2 and 4 wheel drive 993's and as much as I love the power of my Turbo the NB C2 is the best(purest) 911 driving experience.I use my two wheeled 993 in all weather conditions.I love driving it in the snow.I recommend that if you get a C2 of any kind that it have a working LSD if you plan to use it year round.Studed snow tires also make it a no risk of getting stuck proposition and a bunch more fun.Stay clear of all NA four wheel drive 911's.They all feel underpowered.They are slower and heavier.If I had to sell all of my Porsches except one it would be my 96' RS clone that I keep.Do your home work.The engineers at Porsche in the early 90's did not like the 964 series 911.It was a failed series on all fronts.I know I am starting some **** now buy read up, it's all TRUE!

PNogC2S

Quadcammer

just about all of that is complete crap. especially the part about a 993 being the mos pure driving experience. Many will argue that the purity of the 911 died with the addition of power steering, power brakes, auto climate control, etc etc. Others will argue that anything past the late 60s is hardly a 911 at all.

Your hate of the 964 is childish and quite frankly you speak like someone who has never even seen a 964, much less driven one.