Do 993's have child seat anchors? My wife wants me to sell my 993 if not. HELP!
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We jut had a baby & are also going through this.
There is no rear facing infant seat that I can find. However there are a few child seats that fit.
The latch system (anchor system) is garbage in some cars. On our MINI, using the latch, the child seat was not stable, & didn't feel secure. We went with the seatbelt & it's not moving, & is also MUCH easier to install & remove.
A little tidbit, we installed the infant seat about a month before her due date. The first time, I was swearing, & quite upset. The instructions on most seats are garage, & trying to get the latches into he latch system just cut my fingers up. I was back there sweating, bleeding, & confused. DO NOT wait till you are taking the baby home to figure this out!!!!
On our seat, the instructions would show how to route the belt/or latch. However there were flaps & fabric that needed to be removed to gain access. They would only show the blow up, & not where they were on the seat. So I was looking at the seat & had no clue where they were talking about. Also try to use a doll to adjust the straps this can also cause some frustration. Our seat has one adjustment point, it's super simple. However, it took a good 15min to find it.
With the latch it takes like 10min to get the seat anchored, with the seatbelt, it takes 1min.
There is no rear facing infant seat that I can find. However there are a few child seats that fit.
The latch system (anchor system) is garbage in some cars. On our MINI, using the latch, the child seat was not stable, & didn't feel secure. We went with the seatbelt & it's not moving, & is also MUCH easier to install & remove.
A little tidbit, we installed the infant seat about a month before her due date. The first time, I was swearing, & quite upset. The instructions on most seats are garage, & trying to get the latches into he latch system just cut my fingers up. I was back there sweating, bleeding, & confused. DO NOT wait till you are taking the baby home to figure this out!!!!
On our seat, the instructions would show how to route the belt/or latch. However there were flaps & fabric that needed to be removed to gain access. They would only show the blow up, & not where they were on the seat. So I was looking at the seat & had no clue where they were talking about. Also try to use a doll to adjust the straps this can also cause some frustration. Our seat has one adjustment point, it's super simple. However, it took a good 15min to find it.
With the latch it takes like 10min to get the seat anchored, with the seatbelt, it takes 1min.
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Both of my kids grew up in my 911's, but this was with my 83SC. They were big enough to self load and be without the seat in the 993.
One bonus we found is the 911 is an instant baby-to-sleep machine if they are in the back seats. The combination of vibration and warmth since they are very close to the engine seemed to do it very time. Loading is a pain given only two doors, so watch your back!!
I seem to remember on the rear interior cover (the one that covers the rear decks) there are two access holes (with covers) to get to the rear deck, which should have mount points for any seat supports. I am doing this from memory, the car is in the garage on the lift right now (doing the yearly maintenance).
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One bonus we found is the 911 is an instant baby-to-sleep machine if they are in the back seats. The combination of vibration and warmth since they are very close to the engine seemed to do it very time. Loading is a pain given only two doors, so watch your back!!
I seem to remember on the rear interior cover (the one that covers the rear decks) there are two access holes (with covers) to get to the rear deck, which should have mount points for any seat supports. I am doing this from memory, the car is in the garage on the lift right now (doing the yearly maintenance).
Cheers
Mike
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Thanks for all the leads and info. Enough to keep the car!
Third car just not an option - all cash is tied up in my business. Sold my 1955 mercedes 190 SL restore, my 993 GT3 - sad to see it go, but use the 993 as my everyday car and just see no reason to ever sell it.
Third car just not an option - all cash is tied up in my business. Sold my 1955 mercedes 190 SL restore, my 993 GT3 - sad to see it go, but use the 993 as my everyday car and just see no reason to ever sell it.
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What happened to babies before the child seat and seat anchors were invented? I'm a 70's baby and I don't recall if my mothers 71 Riviera had seat anchors and I'm still here today. All kidding aside I understand you wanting to keep your baby safe.
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Your mother's Riv probably weighed two tons, and wasn't surrounded by idiots texting in Ford Excursions. Sorry, but there was a fatality in this exact scenario 1/2 a block from my house a couple of months ago, so I guess it is fresh in my mind.
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I was transported around for the first 9 years of my life in a '59 Thunderbird. Not only no seatbelts, but no seatback locking mechanism. Every time mom came to a stop she'd put her right arm over and attempt to hold me and the seatback in place.
Not having children, I've never been in this spot. But I do know of plenty of Porsche Club families that piled out of 911s (356s in the old days!) new and old to come to the track or autocross. Seems to not occur too much anymore.
Not having children, I've never been in this spot. But I do know of plenty of Porsche Club families that piled out of 911s (356s in the old days!) new and old to come to the track or autocross. Seems to not occur too much anymore.
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Also worth checking out is your states rules about car seats/useage. Each state seems to be a little different.
http://www.iihs.org/laws/childrestraint.aspx
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Our little guy is 5 mos old and my wife and I have had the same conversation. Our issue is the DAS roll bar which is certainly unsafe for any rear occupant. I've almost got her convinced that a new M5 is the only solution! :-)
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I installed the center anchor and Rennline lower anchors for both rear seats. They are working well. The one caution I would give is that the harness anchors are thicker than normal anchor points, so make sure your car seat clips will close properly. I don't know if the BK anchors have the same problem. I also never got the rear facing seat to fit safely, but once the kid is over 20lbs and one year they are good to ride. They can ride in the back for some time, I had a eight year old in the back last year.
I will echo the comments about the kids loving to ride in the Porsches. My 2.5 year old loves a trip in the Porsche. These cars mean so much to us; they will mean a lot to your kids also.
Rw229, my wife is starting to warm to my M5 requirement also-good luck.
--Joe
I will echo the comments about the kids loving to ride in the Porsches. My 2.5 year old loves a trip in the Porsche. These cars mean so much to us; they will mean a lot to your kids also.
Rw229, my wife is starting to warm to my M5 requirement also-good luck.
--Joe
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Couple things to add.
1) Check out sites such as carseatlady.org and carseatdata.org. Pediatric guidelines recently changed. I've also posted a bunch about what I've learned about child seats and safety.
2) I'm still trying to figure out the Canadian cab vs. American cab issue and how/where they put the seat anchor. As near as I can tell, Porsche used an entirely different seat back for the cabs in Canada vs. US. I pulled off the rear seat back, pulled off the carpeting, and see the mounting points for the frame, but no place to mount a tether on the plywood (yes, plywood) that is the seat back. So odd to see wood...I never really believed the floorboards in front either, until I saw them.
Finally, in the post just above mine, I suggest you look at the links above for the rear tether mount point hidden behind your rear dash. Makes a big difference, esp. for these cars since there is so little seat for the car seat to sit on...makes them very prone to forward tipping.
FWIW, I've been discussing installation of car seats in the 993 with a car seat installer. I'm not sure I believe/buy her specs, but she maintains there is NOT sufficient clearance from the child seat to the rear of the passenger/driver seat. She maintains 28" with a tether and 32" without a tether to avoid head impact.
However, I can't find reference to this anywhere, and that seems like it would eliminate most of the small-midsized cars on the market.
1) Check out sites such as carseatlady.org and carseatdata.org. Pediatric guidelines recently changed. I've also posted a bunch about what I've learned about child seats and safety.
2) I'm still trying to figure out the Canadian cab vs. American cab issue and how/where they put the seat anchor. As near as I can tell, Porsche used an entirely different seat back for the cabs in Canada vs. US. I pulled off the rear seat back, pulled off the carpeting, and see the mounting points for the frame, but no place to mount a tether on the plywood (yes, plywood) that is the seat back. So odd to see wood...I never really believed the floorboards in front either, until I saw them.
Finally, in the post just above mine, I suggest you look at the links above for the rear tether mount point hidden behind your rear dash. Makes a big difference, esp. for these cars since there is so little seat for the car seat to sit on...makes them very prone to forward tipping.
FWIW, I've been discussing installation of car seats in the 993 with a car seat installer. I'm not sure I believe/buy her specs, but she maintains there is NOT sufficient clearance from the child seat to the rear of the passenger/driver seat. She maintains 28" with a tether and 32" without a tether to avoid head impact.
However, I can't find reference to this anywhere, and that seems like it would eliminate most of the small-midsized cars on the market.
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You might want to check out this system from a company called 'Maxi-Cosi'.
http://www.maxi-cosi.com
I used the prior generation system and it fit very well in the back seats of the 993...looks like they've updated it. Basically, you install a base unit that is anchored in using the belts (they also have an ISOFix version as well that uses anchors). The child seat 'snaps in' to the modular unit and in our case, we had it set up to be rear facing. While this works, it does require you to push the front seat forward pretty much to the limit of forward extension so your front passenger is going to be pretty uncomfortable unless they have really really short legs. The advantage of the system in your case, is that you could buy 2 base units (placing one in the SUV, one in the 993) and then just transfer the baby seat back and forth depending on who needed to do the driving. Another nice thing is that the seat itself also works with a 'snap-in' stroller system.
For us, we used the family car pretty much 98% of the time...on very odd occasions would I use the 993 to move my little one but it was convenient in a pinch with this modular system (which saved me from buying 2 separate seats or uninstalling and reinstalling a seat from one car to the other). I would check out the new version's base dimensions to ensure fit.
http://www.maxi-cosi.com
I used the prior generation system and it fit very well in the back seats of the 993...looks like they've updated it. Basically, you install a base unit that is anchored in using the belts (they also have an ISOFix version as well that uses anchors). The child seat 'snaps in' to the modular unit and in our case, we had it set up to be rear facing. While this works, it does require you to push the front seat forward pretty much to the limit of forward extension so your front passenger is going to be pretty uncomfortable unless they have really really short legs. The advantage of the system in your case, is that you could buy 2 base units (placing one in the SUV, one in the 993) and then just transfer the baby seat back and forth depending on who needed to do the driving. Another nice thing is that the seat itself also works with a 'snap-in' stroller system.
For us, we used the family car pretty much 98% of the time...on very odd occasions would I use the 993 to move my little one but it was convenient in a pinch with this modular system (which saved me from buying 2 separate seats or uninstalling and reinstalling a seat from one car to the other). I would check out the new version's base dimensions to ensure fit.
#30
Then, you are stuck until 12 months when you can use one of the forward facing options detailed earlier.
Definitely don't sell your car -- the 993 is a perfect and relatively practical sports car for people with young families (meaning they fit in the back seat).