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Old 07-07-2010, 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
The 420bhp V8 R8 will make an N/A 993 look like a honda civic.

That would be an absolutely embarrassing comparison for the 993.
There over 3500lbs, & do 0-60 in 4.5 sec. While not slow by any means, there not "supercar" fast.

It's a great car don't get me wrong, but my old Mitsubishi EVO 8 was faster.

They don't embarrass the 993 by any means, they are faster, but not by as much as you would think.
Old 07-08-2010, 02:48 AM
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Sorry but our 993s will never look like a Honda... I saw your car and it was especially clean! GLWS!
Old 07-08-2010, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Stealth 993
There over 3500lbs, & do 0-60 in 4.5 sec. While not slow by any means, there not "supercar" fast.

It's a great car don't get me wrong, but my old Mitsubishi EVO 8 was faster.

They don't embarrass the 993 by any means, they are faster, but not by as much as you would think.
Two totally different cars.. I don't think we can compare the two to be honest... One is classic sexy, raw, etc. The other is modern engineering at its best, VERY VERY refined, & very sexy. Both great in their own regard, but very different.

If we judged everything by 0-60 time we'd all be driving rice burners and have more $$ in our pocket. Way more about the R8 than it's "Non Super car" 0-60 time.
Old 07-08-2010, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Stealth 993
There over 3500lbs, & do 0-60 in 4.5 sec. While not slow by any means, there not "supercar" fast.

It's a great car don't get me wrong, but my old Mitsubishi EVO 8 was faster.

They don't embarrass the 993 by any means, they are faster, but not by as much as you would think.
Car and driver managed to get to 60 in 4.0 seconds, with a quarter mile of 12.6, with a top speed of 187.

A good 993 with get to 60 in 5.2 seconds and run the quarter in 13.6 up to a top speed of maybe 175 on a good day.

Not to mention the R8 lapped the Nring 24 seconds faster (8:04 to 8:28)

Oh, and my old mustang was faster than a 997 GT2 but so what?

They are significantly faster...period.


Originally Posted by H.H.Chinn
Sorry but our 993s will never look like a Honda...
Not literally. performance wise, without question.

They are as fast or faster than a 993TT
Old 07-08-2010, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
Car and driver managed to get to 60 in 4.0 seconds, with a quarter mile of 12.6, with a top speed of 187.

A good 993 with get to 60 in 5.2 seconds and run the quarter in 13.6 up to a top speed of maybe 175 on a good day.

Not to mention the R8 lapped the Nring 24 seconds faster (8:04 to 8:28)
Apples to apples, when C&D had their longterm 95 993, it did 0-60 in 4.6 and the 1/4 in 13.3 with a top speed of 161mph. It should be noted that the 993's top speed was measured at Chrysler's test track in Michigan which, I believe, is an oval. Ovals tend to scrub speed at this level so the claimed 168mph for a 6-speed, non Vram coupe seems reasonable.

The ring time is a very reasonable comparo though it would be very interesting to see what a bog-standard 993 with the right options (M030, LSD) and modern tires would do today.
Old 07-08-2010, 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by timothymoffat
Apples to apples, when C&D had their longterm 95 993, it did 0-60 in 4.6 and the 1/4 in 13.3 with a top speed of 161mph. It should be noted that the 993's top speed was measured at Chrysler's test track in Michigan which, I believe, is an oval. Ovals tend to scrub speed at this level so the claimed 168mph for a 6-speed, non Vram coupe seems reasonable.

The ring time is a very reasonable comparo though it would be very interesting to see what a bog-standard 993 with the right options (M030, LSD) and modern tires would do today.
good to know, I don't have articles that old.

That said, I struggle to believe 4.6 to 60.
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
good to know, I don't have articles that old.

That said, I struggle to believe 4.6 to 60.
+1

If it does 4.6 (and I had a fast bad *** 993) then my GT3 is in the 3's
Old 07-08-2010, 08:45 PM
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hell without a massive redline clutch drop, I doubt my turbo would get to 60 in 4.6 seconds.
Old 07-08-2010, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Quadcammer
good to know, I don't have articles that old.

That said, I struggle to believe 4.6 to 60.
C&D has always seemed to generate the most amazing #s out of all cars and 911s in particular. Heck, they got a US-spec 84 3.2 Carrera to go 0-60 in 5.3 and run the 1/4 in 13.9@100 in the Feb/84 issue. Impressive #s? Yes. Repeatable? Not with the owner of the car within 50 miles.

Originally Posted by 007DT
+1

If it does 4.6 (and I had a fast bad *** 993) then my GT3 is in the 3's
Motor Trend recorded a 3.9 for an 04 GT3 when they compared it to a 360CS in 2004.

Originally Posted by Quadcammer
hell without a massive redline clutch drop, I doubt my turbo would get to 60 in 4.6 seconds.
Actually, several contemporary tests of various 993 Turbos generated 3.7-3.9 second 0-60 runs. Massive clutch drop mandatory.
Old 07-08-2010, 10:31 PM
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I love both cars...but they are very different...And as far as 0-60 times go...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkLATjo6Oyo
Old 07-08-2010, 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by timothymoffat
Actually, several contemporary tests of various 993 Turbos generated 3.7-3.9 second 0-60 runs. Massive clutch drop mandatory.
that I had read, but with severe skepticism.

If I had to guess, I'd say without a clutch drop, the 993tt would get to 60 in about 5.5 seconds.
Old 07-09-2010, 12:39 AM
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Hey ... who hijacked my thread :-)

I'm still not trading my new R8 for the Benz wagon (good thing for the Benz there were no corners on the way to the grocery store)!

I promise to report back on a comparison when the new R8 arrives :-) I must driving around in the 993 on an incredible Vancouver day, I'm having some second thoughts.

Best regards, Doug

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Old 07-09-2010, 12:44 AM
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So Doug, V8 or V10?
Old 07-09-2010, 01:13 AM
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Hey fellas, I know Doug will read this post however I want your advice. I don't know Doug however he seems like a great guy with a great car. I've always been told to never buy a 911 without a thorough PPI. I'm very interested in buying this car and Doug has been very forth coming with all the maintenance that has been done to the car. Needless to say I think I would be comfortable buying this car without an inspection. Many of you have seen the car and know the owner so I would really like to hear from you please. I have a 964 to sell but could buy the car without selling although I'd rather not. I just don't want to let this car slip away! Sorry for the long post. Any advice would be great!

Regards

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Old 07-09-2010, 08:32 AM
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Derek, I don't know the seller, but he seems like a good guy.

Get a PPI...period.


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