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Old 12-11-2008, 03:09 PM
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Default Hole saw question for the fabricators here

Where can I find hole saws that will cut 16g sheet metal - and do so without dulling after a few uses? Specifically, I'm looking for a 4.5" saw to be used with a large drill press. I've used a normal Lenox version from Lowe's that went dull after two completed cuts. That's a horrible ROI for $35...


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Brother Andreas

While the lenox bits arent top of the line, they should last a few more cuts than two... My initial though was too much heat (teeth loosing thier temper)... that could be caused by 1)not enough lube 2)lube too thin, or more than likely, 3) too much speed.... So a quick search... a 4.5in hole saw should be turning 75 RPM for mild steel.... I dont know a drill press that can turn that slow....

Better question though... whatch ya cuttin' ???
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Originally Posted by jscott82
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While the lenox bits arent top of the line, they should last a few more cuts than two... My initial though was too much heat (teeth loosing thier temper)... that could be caused by 1)not enough lube 2)lube too thin, or more than likely, 3) too much speed.... So a quick search... a 4.5in hole saw should be turning 75 RPM for mild steel.... I dont know a drill press that can turn that slow...

Brother Scott,
I tried a variety of speeds, as low as 300. And I kept the cut lines well lubed. Sounds like I may need to sprinkle some carbide into the mix...


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Better question though... whatch ya cuttin' ???
16g steel.


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I tried a variety of speeds, as low as 300. And I kept the cut lines well lubed. Sounds like I may need to sprinkle some carbide into the mix...




16g steel.


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You can appreciate this....
My grandfather ( the epitome of a gear head) had an 8 foot tall drill press frame that he salvaged from a manufacturing plant…. He proceeded to scavenge up a 10hp electric motor and two 4 speed car transmissions that he put in series… This thing would spin a 5 in twist drill bit at 10 or 20 rpm and 4 bazillion ft/lb of torque… it was amazing… to change speeds you simply shifted gears...
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Originally Posted by jscott82
You can appreciate this....
My grandfather ( the epitome of a gear head) had an 8 foot tall drill press frame that he salvaged from a manufacturing plant…. He proceeded to scavenge up a 10hp electric motor and two 4 speed car transmissions that he put in series… This thing would spin a 5 in twist drill bit at 10 or 20 rpm and 4 bazillion ft/lb of torque… it was amazing… to change speeds you simply shifted gears...
Awesome! That should be in your garage, next to your five-foot-long torque wrench...




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Slow down the speed even more, perhaps 150 rpm. -- more than likely the cause of this. For steel, use oil.
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second thought, use a punch press
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Andreas,
That is a large hole for rather thin metal. You may want to get a nibbler and cut near the line and finish with a file. How many holes do you have to make? Is the steel in a flat form? You could have a machine shop laser cut it. I have cut holes with the sheet metal sandwiched between sheets of wood th keep the hole saw from wandering and the metal from bending up as you cut thru the metal.

Good Luck!!!!!
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Originally Posted by chris walrod
second thought, use a punch press
Ah.... even better.....
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Originally Posted by chris walrod
second thought, use a punch press
Looked around my shop and came up empty handed....


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Originally Posted by mr_bock
Andreas,
That is a large hole for rather thin metal. You may want to get a nibbler and cut near the line and finish with a file. How many holes do you have to make? Is the steel in a flat form? You could have a machine shop laser cut it. I have cut holes with the sheet metal sandwiched between sheets of wood th keep the hole saw from wandering and the metal from bending up as you cut thru the metal.

Good Luck!!!!!
Actually, I'm cutting a number of discs, so repeatability is key. Although the hole saw simply stopped cutting after the second hole, the teeth still 'feel' just as sharp. Probably meaningless...


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Flip the sheet over - they're usually softer on the belly side ....
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Originally Posted by Garth S
Flip the sheet over - they're usually softer on the belly side ....
Now thats funny !!
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It might be helpful to let us know what you're working on, Andreas.

I assume that the size isn't too important, becuase a 4.5" hole saw gives you a OD 4.5" hole, not a 4.5" blank. The circles you're making are two hole-saw-material-thicknesses smaller in diameter.

Just given what I know, I would make a center punches, scribe the circles with a divider, make a rough cut with hand shears, and then do a final trim with the same.

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It might be helpful to let us know what you're working on, Andreas.
This.

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