993tt has got to be about as good as it gets...
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Once you experience boost, it's tough to return to "normal". I someitmes wish mine was narrow body, "Stealth look ya know". But not often. I like my cars "booty"
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I think I would have to pay $80k
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interesting comments from everyone...
I guess each of us are different in how we use our cars... not right or wrong, just different. I am not a big track guy, I like to spend 4 hrs in my garage detailing my car with the speed channel in the background, then spend the rest of the day driving it on twisty roads, etc. Those that are big track types cant understand that behavior, but then I cant understand why they go thrash these pieces of history around the race track... go rent a car or use someone elses at a driving school! *just kidding* Any way, my point is that for me if i trade up it must be in top shape, so that might be cost prohibitive for awhile...
I have thought about the 3.8 engine upgrade... about $10k or so I would guess, and really only gain 15 or so horsepower... not sure it is worth it. I would worry about reliability with a supercharger.
I do agree that there is something fun and pure about the NA engine with two wheel drive and the howl of the engine...
I guess each of us are different in how we use our cars... not right or wrong, just different. I am not a big track guy, I like to spend 4 hrs in my garage detailing my car with the speed channel in the background, then spend the rest of the day driving it on twisty roads, etc. Those that are big track types cant understand that behavior, but then I cant understand why they go thrash these pieces of history around the race track... go rent a car or use someone elses at a driving school! *just kidding* Any way, my point is that for me if i trade up it must be in top shape, so that might be cost prohibitive for awhile...
I have thought about the 3.8 engine upgrade... about $10k or so I would guess, and really only gain 15 or so horsepower... not sure it is worth it. I would worry about reliability with a supercharger.
I do agree that there is something fun and pure about the NA engine with two wheel drive and the howl of the engine...
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Jonathan,
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
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Originally Posted by Brent Spinks
I have a one word compromise for both camps....
Supercharger.
Supercharger.
Just my two cents! ;-)
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Originally Posted by CP
So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
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I had the opportunity to drive my friends 97 993TT and it was a total blast. The only down fall that I myself hate about the TT is the cooling down of the Turbos before you shut off the engine. So... if you ever have an Upset Stomach and gotta go quick..... I don't think you'll make in time.
I think you'll end up with more than a... in your pants.
I think you'll end up with more than a... in your pants.
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Originally Posted by CAHRERA
The only down fall that I myself hate about the TT is the cooling down of the Turbos before you shut off the engine. So... if you ever have an Upset Stomach and gotta go quick..... I don't think you'll make in time.
I think you'll end up with more than a... in your pants.
I think you'll end up with more than a... in your pants.
Anytime the boost hits, the passenger craps in his/her pants. So what's the problem?
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I know the TT alure. My stage 2 S4 (also TT) just has a seductive punch even though only a 5 sec car. Still overall, I prefer the n/a C4S all things considered.
What about aftermarket turbos and SC's- but keep the boost down ( I use a manual boost control) a little so keep the reliablilty but gain as many ponies as you need? If its bolt on/off you can hold the resale on your car too.
If you like your car otherwise might that not be the answer?
Did I see above sinfulsteve has an aftermarket kit- what do decent kits run?
What about aftermarket turbos and SC's- but keep the boost down ( I use a manual boost control) a little so keep the reliablilty but gain as many ponies as you need? If its bolt on/off you can hold the resale on your car too.
If you like your car otherwise might that not be the answer?
Did I see above sinfulsteve has an aftermarket kit- what do decent kits run?
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For those undecided to Turbo or Not. IMHO would be to go with the TPC Supercharger... If you already have the na 993 that you love, for less than $12k you can have over 320 rwhp and not turbo lag. I have put over 14k miles on mine with no engine problems whatsoever. The fun factor is undescribable!!!!!
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Jonathan,
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
Geeze CP...you nailed it! And I thought that I had AADD (auto attention deficit disorder) when all along I had auto envy! I guess it's time to step up and find the right 993TT
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Originally Posted by CP
Jonathan,
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
I know car lust is passion and not logic. I can also understand why your thirst for a 993tt. It is definitley a jaw-dropping work of art and performance.
Do we need this type of performance, street or track? Probably not. Can we use this level of performance in a street car. No in 99.9% of the time, so why own such a car? My only answer is that because emotionally, we will not rest until we have the best at our disposal. The 993 is a formidible car, better than most cars one can drive. However, Just knowing that there is another level of 993s out there makes our blood boil and our desire stir. It is pure passion, not logic.
I know myself well enough to know that I can't be happy with just a regular 993 (flame suit on). I guess the fact I was driving an M5 made the 993 lacking (in the torque department at least). So I held my fire, shopped and shopped until I found my RUF. Now I can see the turbos, and Italian exotics, whizzing by, and I feel zero car envy, zilch. That's the magic of owning this car. I suspect the 993tt will do the same for you. So my suggestion is: don't put off the inevitable. It will only cost you more time, energy, and may be even $$. Just get it done and enjoy life.
CP
Hmmm.... This sounds familiar... thanks for talking me into a 993TT 2 years ago.
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Originally Posted by mrsullivan
I am curious is there anyone on the board that would actually PREFER to drive a NA 993 (stock) over a 993tt (stock)... I cant imagine if $ were not an issue and all else equal, most of us would want the Turbo, right?...
I know if I ever go back to a n/a car I will miss the explosive thrust so it's going to be a very hard internal conflict
Looks wise the n/a cars look great, I love the clean classic shape but the turbo looks mean, all pumped up!
Good luck in your quest, it won't be easy, but just think the grass is always greener...and in this case I do believe it is equally greener on both sides ...just depends on what floats your boat.
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Originally Posted by Air Kuul TT
Pong,
Hmmm.... This sounds familiar... thanks for talking me into a 993TT 2 years ago.
Hmmm.... This sounds familiar... thanks for talking me into a 993TT 2 years ago.
Honestly. Now that you have the 993tt. You think you'd trade that for a regular Carrera?
CP