David '96 993

Being new to both the 993 and this board (two & one week respectfully) I absolutely love this board for the technical information.

The OT that I have read has been somewhat limited, but has given me a sense of the personalities of the participants.

I look to this board primarily as a learning tool, but have found through an E34M5 board that I have been involved with for two years now that I have met some wonderful people from all around the globe.

This balance between the two makes for enjoyable discussion and newbies like me feel very much at ease. Just my .02 worth.

Greg Fishman

[quote]Originally posted by Anir:
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BTW, I will certainly try to limit posts about my alcohol preferences (...Hiccup...)

Even though, I have to admit that I am even more excited about meeting EJ and Ben now than I was previously!!! Hell, after over a year on Rennlist, I feel like I went to school with EJ. VIR, here we come!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Anir,
Are you sure you have a job? You are home awfully early and already you are hitting the bottle.

All,
I am probably one of the worst and I am sorry for turning certain posts in personal conversation.

I don't think that a OT board is needed, and if it is set up I doubt it will be used. If there is something on this board that doesn't interest you, click to the next topic.

The 993 board has a life of its own, it has more than survived many major changes and the division of the 993/996 old board.

Greg

STLPCA

[quote]Originally posted by B-Line:
<strong>Don't you think avatars also encourage some sort of personalized/bragging immature behavior.

NO

And, what about all the instant Graemlins,

NO

... isn't it also a sign that rennlist is supporting some of the changes that we see on this board

NO

and that inevitably it was bound to happen.

I hope not.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Robin 993DX

[quote]Originally posted by Greg Fishman:
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All,
I am probably one of the worst and I am sorry for turning certain posts in personal conversation.

Greg</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mr. Fishman,

Don't get too comfortable, you are not even close.

B-Line

don't hold back Dan, tell me what you really feel

E. J. - 993 Alumni

I have to agree with some here that as the word about Rennlist spreads, and the number of members and posters increase, the board is going to change - just as it did when it switched formats and became a 993 only board. Some guys from that time whom I felt I know personally and have talked to on the phone about problems (Rick in Portland, John W) are now either gone or post much less. This is neither good nor bad as times change and people and interest change. I certainly miss Rick's knowledge and John's British wit is posted much less frequestly. I imagine a time in the not so distant future that I am not going to have nearly as much time for this board.

Anyway, I feel like this would be a terribly boring place to hang out if we only ever talked about tech issues. In fact, we could probably cover those with a FAQ section and shut the board down, since I am sure every tech issue has been covered at least once in the archives.

In closing, let me say that over the past 2 years I feel like I have grown to know many posters here personally and know that there are a lot of places in the world where if I happen to be travelling I could contact a 993 Rennilster and have a nice dinner with an "old friend" (even Ray ) I certainly don't get this idea from talking about which 18s will fit on my narrow body 993.

Take this post for what it is.

E. J.

RutgersU

It's difficult to understand the resistance to a OT forum for more personal communication. Yes, I can (and do) simply avoid clicking on an OT post. However, it is not the individual post, but the degradation of the board as a whole that will likely occur. When I was on Roadfly.com several years ago it was largely filled with informative posts. Now its kiddy hour.

Why not have a forum that people can go to and freely converse about their day, their house, their job, or their favorite lawn mower? It would, after all, be only a click away. And as many admit, they now refrain from going "too OT" in their posts. This would not be a problem with a forum dedicated to such activity. You can actually become friendlier with fellow listers in such an environment. My guess is the opposition comes from those who want an audience for their "hey, look how great I am posts".

My guess is that an OT section would allow the 993 forum to stick to on-topic posts, and after a short period of time, the OT section would be deserted, because overall, people would rather keep posts on topic.

If the board has changed to suit new listers, then so be it. The knowledgeable veterans (of whom I am not one) will likely go away. But with them they take their technical knowledge, something that, although may not be needed now, will likely be needed in the future.

And yes, the irony that this topic is indeed OT is not lost on me, but the more appropriate "general" forum is deserted.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

John,

I hear what you are trying to say, and I agree abut certain topics like how fast is yours etc... belong elsewhere. But if a topic evolves into a personal exchange or two amongst friends, I fail to see the harm.

Let me just say this though - I am not afraid of this becoming AS BAD as the bimmer board you refer to for two reasons. One, the higher price of entrance will keep a lot of younger people away. Two, along with the last point, the people buying the 993s (I hope) are not those type of buyers. Please don't take offense, just realize that the 18 year old kid who buys the 318 hatchback is not looking at the 993. I know this whole thing might get me in trouble and I really mean no disrespect to any BMW people out there. Heck, I have a friend that drives a BMW. (tongue in cheek)

E. J.

CC993

There are few places one can go to obsess (or be obsessed upon) concerning these incredible cars we love...the great thing about 911's is the committment to quality throughout...there are many of us on this board who are committed to this very philosophy in our every day lives...this is why many of us were able to buy these cars in the first place...as the banter has become increasingly juvenile, it has sort of cheapened the entire experience...I know this sounds bad but 911 cars deserve 911 people (uh oh)...what can I say

Anir

[quote]Originally posted by john-'96 993 cab:
<strong>And yes, the irony that this topic is indeed OT is not lost on me, but the more appropriate "general" forum is deserted. </strong><hr></blockquote>

John,

I strongly suspect that a OT forum would be similarly deserted.

Even topics like suspension upgrades, tire choices, or racing issues, usually land here rather than the respective "Upgrades/Mods", "Wheels/Tires", and "Racing" forums.

One thing I found interesting about the recent post "What IS a 993-driving Rennlist member?" is that that the average age of Rennlist board members is at least 10 - 15 years older than the numbers posted on the Roadfly M3 board. Whether or not this relates to money or finances, I'm not sure. I do believe it has something to do with the overall maturity of this board, though.

I knew Freeman's post would not be well received by a few Rennlist members, but I personally see nothing awful about it. The post asked no questions about people's income level (it's obviously "adequate" since we all hang out here), other worldly possessions, or anything else that would be construed as posturing from my perspective. Having been married more than once hardly constitutes a claim to fame (I should know ).

It could be easily argued that the suggestion that the quality of Porsche owners / posters is degrading as the cars become "more affordable" is a bit tacky in itself. Smacks of elitism to me.

The folks in the least expensive Porsches (older 911's, 944's, 914's) are the most friendly, and often the most technically knowledgeable. They wave when they pass, and just seem to "get it". Where's the correlation with affordability? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

B-Line

ZMC2S..

...I know this sounds bad but 911 cars deserve 911 people (uh oh)...what can I say

Sorry to break the news to you but a 911 person is anyone...and I mean anyone who owns a 911.
Who are you to say who should and should not own a car.

and who is a 911 person??
A middle aged, balding, dentist who recently got thrown out of the house by their wife and are going through a mid life crisis..
because if you are not aware of it, that is the reputation that most Porsche owners have to the rest of the world. (not to mention the small members....)

(no offense to any of you who are divorced, dentists, bald, or going through mid life...)(not to mention the small members....)

So sorry if this new generation of computer savvy, track driving, young, intelligent, successful Pcar owners want a great car to drive and a forum to discuss it in.

brandon

Got me thinking...

Cars without owners aren't very interesting.
This board will never be all things to all people.
Don't take a Rennlist poster too seriously.
Don't take yourself too seriously.
Think before you post.
Leave it better than you found it (seek to make a positive contribution).
If you don't like it, don't read it & surely don't reply to it.
Be inclusive, not exclusive (elitism is never in fashion).

I've said it before, but I find the majority people of this board articulate, thoughtful, interesting, and true contributors. Most I'd go out of my way to meet for a drive, followed by a couple of cold ones afterwards. I doubt that I'd do that if the board was "strictly" on topic.

Tito

Guys,
I think that off topic discussions are usually fairy obvious. Either labelled 'OT' or easily recognised from the topic. If you dont' like OT stuff then dont' read it and rate the poster negatively, if it really bugs you post a reply saying so. Censorship is not the answer.
Tito.

E. J. - 993 Alumni

[quote]Originally posted by Anir:
<strong>It could be easily argued that the suggestion that the quality of Porsche owners / posters is degrading as the cars become "more affordable" is a bit tacky in itself. Smacks of elitism to me.

The folks in the least expensive Porsches (older 911's, 944's, 914's) are the most friendly, and often the most technically knowledgeable. They wave when they pass, and just seem to "get it". Where's the correlation with affordability? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Anir,

I hope you did not get this from me. I was simply saying that the board may go in different directions as more 993 people find it on the net. Look at the phenomenol growth in the last 6 months that John D. alluded to.

I agree with you about the older 911 cars and owners and other porsche models - they are usually the friendliest.


E. J.

DJF1

My mother says wisely, that the only difference between boys and men is how expensive their toys are.
Before I was able to afford my 993 I had the "Non Porsche" 968 and 944's. I used to participate in a wonderfull board at the 968.net and there we treated the immature posters accordingly.
My 968 was bought used and at 25K the price of a Honda Accord. My 944 was bought used at 10K the price of a Kia. My 924 was bought used at 3K the price of a beat up Chevy. What I had at that time was what i could afford. I work HARD for my money and my success in life. I'm 34 married, do not have a multimillion dollar house and a yacht nor will ever have or care to have. I just have the wife of my dreams, a town house with a double garage which is mine and two of my dream cars and I'm proud off it. Saying that I take great offence to posters who claim who is a WORTHY 911 owner. To me they are more immature than the 16 year old kid who is posting on the BMW board! Is this an EXCLUSIVE COUNTRY CLUB??? I came to this board with the intend to share my passion for THE CAR, for the marque that steers my soul, for the way it makes me feel driving on a twisty road or starting her up in the morning! I think you all remember the way you reacted when you got your first car, when you dreamed of a 911 and you had the poster stuck on the wall next to your pillow.
For some of us who were not fed on a silver spoon that dream came 15 years later and in the process we are "more mature".So we do not talk about burn outs any more, but who on this board when they were 16 or 18 did not do any burnouts, street racing etc????? That does not change anything though and we should not be snobs because the car we are driving is "more accessible" to many. So the rich guys are "better people"???????
I do not know if you remember but not long ago there was a discussion about why Porsche is bringing out the Cayenne. Everyone on this board was bitching and mowning. You have your answer right here. Is for the snobs who "must be seen" at the country club with the Porsche and who will buy that car just because of the "prestige".They must not worry though because people like me will never buy that Cayenne not because of money but because they do not represent what we are looking for in a car so i will not spoil their little club! I really thought that by participating on this board i would find people like me who own a 993 for all the "right" reasons. And yes the occassional lucky kid who just got one as a present and is bragging,we do have an oportunity to steer them right. Isn't that part of what this board is all about? Should it be a microfiche???
My sincere apologies to all my intend is not to offend people, I just could not help from venting my frustration reading these things.
I'm pretty new to this board and I apologize if some of my posts were non technical related. I just did not realize that the board is only for that. Maybe John can finalize an "etiquete" for us the new people so we know and we do not waste time from others who do not want to share experiences and their passion.
So far I thought that this board was gold with indeed some wonderfull people and I paid my 2 year membership... If it becomes a "worthy only" club, sorry, I'm not worthy and I'm sorry I wasted everyones time.