Something Porsche sells and drive down costs in the same thought!
Singer engines by... Porsche
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Singer engines by... Porsche
HERE is an interesting news tidbit (at least to me).
I wonder if this means Singer-spec engines might someday be offered as "crate motors". Not as I could afford one...
I wonder if this means Singer-spec engines might someday be offered as "crate motors". Not as I could afford one...
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I stopped by PECLA in October and they had a Singer on a lift and what looked like several Singer engines apart on various tables and carts, so I'm sure this plan has been in the making for some time.
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It's an interesting twist on a typical brand collaboration. Given Singer create 'reimagined' Porsche's with prices into the millions by leaning into existing Porsche brand equity, they are now seemingly legitimized by the very brand that inspired them. This move will raise some eyebrows.
I guess Porsche didn't want to continue making the "second best" Porsche's you could buy...
I guess Porsche didn't want to continue making the "second best" Porsche's you could buy...
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It'll be interesting how close Porsche builds the engines to what Ed Pink and Rothsport has been doing. Maybe related but with Porsche entering this game now, will it drive down 3.8 and 4.0 conversions for us peasants? Wishful thinking.
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Originally Posted by 71-3.0-911
It'll be interesting how close Porsche builds the engines to what Ed Pink and Rothsport has been doing. Maybe related but with Porsche entering this game now, will it drive down 3.8 and 4.0 conversions for us peasants? Wishful thinking.
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Yes - wishful thinking... PMNA does not and will not build engines for non-racing related customers. This was a very unique contract between Porsche and Singer. Ed Pink shot themselves in the foot.
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Originally Posted by Nurburger
Yes - wishful thinking... PMNA does not and will not build engines for non-racing related customers. This was a very unique contract between Porsche and Singer. Ed Pink shot themselves in the foot.
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Originally Posted by TheBen
How much is a thorough 3.8 or 4.0 conversion these days from a reputable builder?
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How fast you want to go, how much money you got…
The “!” dash is a whole world of dependencies once the OEM ECU is out of the loop. And then there is the immobilized for some/many.
9M has been pretty transparent in the price point for their engine builds, but OEM integration is the blackhole that for PCNA to offer public kits would have a hurdle with. Expectations would be turnkey and possible EPA concerns.
Singer and Gunther start from a clean sheet and thus the price point to be paid for 90’s style and 2010’s tech.
Will make for interesting reading.
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Possibly the first step into an eventual liquidity event for Singer Vehicle Design, as Porsche corp tries to find growth and revenue in new places (e.g. Porsche Classic). Maybe it'll lead to a buy out SvD at some point in the future.
