Caveat Emptor: jeanhules
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For me the big reminder is that so often when these matters hit the forums, the totality of communications between buyer and seller are rarely reflected. As you suggested, often demanding and threatening messages between parties (usually not shared in the forum threads) set a tone from which it's difficult to recover, or at lease arrive at compromise. Once that kind of emotion is introduced, things are almost certain to head south. Golden rule, boys...golden rule.
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As someone who has dealt with this seller and had a similar issue, starting with a nice well reasoned approach leads nowhere- which ends up in the outreach becoming more and more frustrated and demanding. Sometimes the lesson is there are some people just not worth buying things from.
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Under sell.
Over deliver.
Over deliver.
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"I sold a set of Motons several years ago that the buyer said were leaking (never had them on my car and bought them as spares). I was aghast and immediately offered the buyer a full refund including shipping costs to the buyer and back to me since I felt bad that he was disappointed. I thought I was covering my bases when I used the phrase "could be rebuilt" rather than "should be rebuilt." The difference of a couple of letters was enough for me to feel that I hadn't properly managed the buyer's expectations. I ended up giving the buyer a credit since he really wanted the dampers, so it resulted in him being happy. Frankly, eating the cost of shipping back to me or providing a credit was a small cost to protect my reputation for future sales and interactions."
MARK right on.
I had that happen to me ONCE, on brake calipers
as soon as buyer contacted me. I PayPal back in less than 5 min. and paid return shipping
not worth my time or rep
and I am not even a shop or professional seller
MARK right on.
I had that happen to me ONCE, on brake calipers
as soon as buyer contacted me. I PayPal back in less than 5 min. and paid return shipping
not worth my time or rep
and I am not even a shop or professional seller
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paulkromz (11-13-2019)
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Got to read your reply Mark after taking an extended break from RL (8mnths to be exact).
Ill start by saying thanks the help. Good to know moderators take a neutral side and find facts (as best as can) to make for a peaceful forum. What wasn’t said, was conversations on the phone that were pleasant which eventually led to not talking via phone anymore. No one would have record and level of scrutiny not necessary thankfully. However, show me an instance where there isn’t disappointment that’s rightfully stated and alternative means pursued to make whole. As some of you know (whom I’ve transacted with and had Events at various venues), I’m pretty easy going. I’m not one for a BS’r nor do I act like one either. The latter is what I thought would change from my days over at Nasioc and EvoM (the latter is actually the best time on a forum and community I’ve had to date). Only difference now is parts and goods are $1k+ instead of $100+. No change in characters if you will.... Oh well...live and learn which brings me to my next point/advice. Ask the questions and by golly pay for it with AMEX and a reputable third party like PayPal. Those two are self explanatory. However, you can pm for more information on covering your tail.
best
Ill start by saying thanks the help. Good to know moderators take a neutral side and find facts (as best as can) to make for a peaceful forum. What wasn’t said, was conversations on the phone that were pleasant which eventually led to not talking via phone anymore. No one would have record and level of scrutiny not necessary thankfully. However, show me an instance where there isn’t disappointment that’s rightfully stated and alternative means pursued to make whole. As some of you know (whom I’ve transacted with and had Events at various venues), I’m pretty easy going. I’m not one for a BS’r nor do I act like one either. The latter is what I thought would change from my days over at Nasioc and EvoM (the latter is actually the best time on a forum and community I’ve had to date). Only difference now is parts and goods are $1k+ instead of $100+. No change in characters if you will.... Oh well...live and learn which brings me to my next point/advice. Ask the questions and by golly pay for it with AMEX and a reputable third party like PayPal. Those two are self explanatory. However, you can pm for more information on covering your tail.
best
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Got to read your reply Mark after taking an extended break from RL (8mnths to be exact).
Ill start by saying thanks the help. Good to know moderators take a neutral side and find facts (as best as can) to make for a peaceful forum. What wasn’t said, was conversations on the phone that were pleasant which eventually led to not talking via phone anymore. No one would have record and level of scrutiny not necessary thankfully. However, show me an instance where there isn’t disappointment that’s rightfully stated and alternative means pursued to make whole. As some of you know (whom I’ve transacted with and had Events at various venues), I’m pretty easy going. I’m not one for a BS’r nor do I act like one either. The latter is what I thought would change from my days over at Nasioc and EvoM (the latter is actually the best time on a forum and community I’ve had to date). Only difference now is parts and goods are $1k+ instead of $100+. No change in characters if you will.... Oh well...live and learn which brings me to my next point/advice. Ask the questions and by golly pay for it with AMEX and a reputable third party like PayPal. Those two are self explanatory. However, you can pm for more information on covering your tail.
best
Ill start by saying thanks the help. Good to know moderators take a neutral side and find facts (as best as can) to make for a peaceful forum. What wasn’t said, was conversations on the phone that were pleasant which eventually led to not talking via phone anymore. No one would have record and level of scrutiny not necessary thankfully. However, show me an instance where there isn’t disappointment that’s rightfully stated and alternative means pursued to make whole. As some of you know (whom I’ve transacted with and had Events at various venues), I’m pretty easy going. I’m not one for a BS’r nor do I act like one either. The latter is what I thought would change from my days over at Nasioc and EvoM (the latter is actually the best time on a forum and community I’ve had to date). Only difference now is parts and goods are $1k+ instead of $100+. No change in characters if you will.... Oh well...live and learn which brings me to my next point/advice. Ask the questions and by golly pay for it with AMEX and a reputable third party like PayPal. Those two are self explanatory. However, you can pm for more information on covering your tail.
best
I'm sorry you had issues with this seller. I was running a search for some parts and ran across this FS thread from jeanhules: https://rennlist.com/forums/market/1...highlight=vram Sadly, it appears that his sales have a propensity to require conflict resolution.
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UPDATE:
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
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UPDATE:
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but, perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but, perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
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Was it Kramer from Seinfeld ??
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UPDATE:
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
It appears that jeanhules re-registered with a new user name, assman. Registering under a new user name is an automatic ban, so both jeanhules and assman have lost posting privileges.
This thread will be unstuck since both users have been removed.
Just a gentle yet obvious suggestion, but perhaps a better approach for a long term presence here is to be honest and forthright in order to prevent sales issues.
I really appreciate the fact in this place if someone behaves badly, the community openly can point it out, without fearing of being judged to be judgemental or umpolite or not politically correct.
Thank you.
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I will never end saying thank you to you Mark for giving me good advices and for being present, while dealing with that person.
I really appreciate the fact in this place if someone behaves badly, the community openly can point it out, without fearing of being judged to be judgemental or umpolite or not politically correct.
Thank you.
I really appreciate the fact in this place if someone behaves badly, the community openly can point it out, without fearing of being judged to be judgemental or umpolite or not politically correct.
Thank you.
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