Sword_of_the_Spirit

Let’s back up. You posted in your previous post (third since 16’) a nearly verbatim description on the definition of “excellent” and how it differs than “new” and the people responsible for said descriptions. I have a text from John himself. Are you related? Is that you John?

John is not willing to pay for the item to shipped back. That will occur and only occur on/after the 13th of Dec as per AMX. This is out of interest in the claim and leverage I have been forced to work with. Thank you John. I will not extend anymore effort on an item of which I would have never purchased. Even more glaring, is the admission that defects were present prior and he did not disclose even when asked?

I also do not owe you anymore about the intended use of this wing. I’m sure you’re smart enough.....

I’m full disclosure and and expected such when I asked John. When he lied in describing and later admitted to defects., my case against him elevated substantially. I don’t put crap on and this is clearly what the end result. Had I not done my due diligence, yes, I would not have a case.

Whole is determined by the buyer and court of law. I’m under no obligation to pay for the return of an item. He knows. I know it. I know you know it.

Good point.

I actually was the one that started, and nearly completed the process of the claim. I cannot go any further since it is not my card nor name on the receipt I possess in PDF.

sdm100

Lawyers and time here are going to be more than $1K

pp000830

Buying a fiberglass body part is not like buying an I-Phone.
One should always assume the part will need to be primed and repainted as the likelihood of a good color match alone is slim to none.
The advantage of buying a used part as a starting point, if not damaged, is that most of the artifacts, not all, in the finish have been addressed and when cleaned. reprimed and painted there should be no adhesion issues unlike what is sometimes observed with a new part.
I understand the OP's frustration especially when it involves what may have been an unrealistic expectation reinforced by misleading statements by the seller, most any part is rarely if ever a bolt it on and go with it experience.
Andy

rk-d

I agree that I would not call the part “excellent.”. And, if I were the seller, I’d have paid a refund in full including shipping. That said, we’re talking about a subjective evaluation of a used fiberglass part. It’s not like the thing was actually broken. As a buyer, I would have been fine with split shipping. Obviously that doesn’t satisfy the OP and that’s his prerogative. I suspect lawyers and all this heartache isn’t worth the money, but that’s just my opinion.

goofballdeluxe

Wow, I spent four years acting on a soap opera many years ago and there wasn't this much drama. Shouldn't be this difficult to solve without lawyering up over a relatively cheap used part.

The mods should close this thread already, but here's some music for the combatants in the meantime. The title seems rather appropriate

993_540

I feel I am owed money for my time spent on this (and the battery) thread. Calling my lawyer now.

dave
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Sword_of_the_Spirit

No one here is trying to waste time. Things like this have occurred in the past and will continue to come up until this fallen world is no more. Take my precaution what you will. After all, it's you who clicked on the thread, not I.

By the request of Mark (our resident Moderator), he asked me post photos further adding to this "debacle" if you will. Give those that expect equal of themselves as the other a break. Not everyone tosses $1500-2000 in parts and time around like some of you. If you do, God bless you. If not, God bless you as well.

hexagone

This sounds like a huge waste of time.

The wing is aftermarket, fiberglass and a replica. Overall, if you stepped away from a couple of feet and not at a microscopic flash photography level I would consider it in great shape. Then obviously some damage happened during shipping by UPS, which is still relatively minor but enough to file a claim.

Seller offered to take the part back if you, buyer, paid for the shipping - which is fair. Could have also proceeded with the UPS claim to get some $ back - that would be on the person that paid for the shipping. That's how it almost always goes - particularly on eBay.

Anything beyond this sounds like a whole lot of whining that somehow couldn't get resolved by two adults.

Used large parts being packaged and shipped by clerks who probably get paid $14/hour and don't give a rats *** about detail. The only upside is that if you paid for their packaging, you have recourse. If it was your own packaging, it's your word against theirs and almost 100% of the time will get denied.

Gbos1

localmotion411

Thanks for the biggest waste of time on RL besides value threads.

mike cap

This thread is better than Twilight Blue’s last “lawyer up” thread and better than an episode of Air Disasters. Very entertaining. I still say Mark deserves a raise.

Where is TB by the way?

nothingbutgt3

besides

what should be the price for the original and complet RS clubsport rear wing in good condition?

I don't think it is available anymore as replacement in Porsche, is this right?

Mark in Baltimore

FYI, we are doing some further digging into this matter. Stay tuned.

wagongotya

Adding an additional data point. I've purchased from John in the past, as described and fair pricing.

tdarby

I recently purchased an item from the seller (factory 993 GT2 lower spoiler chin). It came very well packed and more bubble wrap then necessary. It was shipped fast and came exactly as described. It was also boxed up at the UPS Store. Just my .2 cents. Sorry the buyer of the tail had bad experience.
Todd