TT Gasman

I know it's totally ridiculous.

JC in NY

996 parts are generally much cheaper than 993 parts. Try pricing body parts. 996 panels are about half...

Randall G.

You can buy a factory rebuilt 964 long-block for under $10k:

<a href="http://forums.rennlist.com/cgi-bin/rennforums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=4;t=002692#000002" target="_blank">Factory Rebuilt 964 Engine</a>

Hopefully, the 993 equivalent isn't far behind.

johnfm

An exchange 964 engine is about $9,000 if I remember rightly. Part numbers for exchange engines can be found in the PET CD.

Fred R. C4S

The story doesn't stop with just engines, check into transmissions. When I had to have my C4S gearbox repaired over a $.05 dowel pin failure, the mechanic doing the work told me that there is little to be gained from trying to repair a 996 transmission. With labor rates what they are, and the "rebuildability" not on par with former Porsche transmissions, it's more cost effective to just replace the whole 996 transmission. He jokingly refered to it as a "6 speed Toyota gearbox". He doesn't even bother to work on them.

He also told me that GT3 transmissions are internally very similar to 993 transmissions. Many of the parts are interchangeable. But what most people don't know is that GT3 engines and transmissions have less in common with an 996 and more in common with a 993. You can't mate either a GT3 engine or transmission to a 996 engine or transmission. Porsche has developed a "low cost to build" street product, and a more Porsche traditional product to be used in TT, GT3, GT2. Hiring those retired Toyota engineers as consultants during the development of the Boxster and 996 helped take a ton of the "cost to build" out of the products. How do you think Porsche went from nearly broke in the early '90's to the most profitable car builder in the late '90's. It wasn't IBM "pixie dust".

spinning disc

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Greg Fishman:
<strong>I remember Bill in Chicago had to buy a motor for his 996 and it was cheaper than repairing the problem it had. (which I can't remember).

I know a guy that bought a GT1 engine. If $40K made your heart skip a beat I guess $80K without turbos would make it stop.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">i was told as much by a person that i trust a lot here in boston. if he sees oil leakage, it's a far cheaper thing to get a new engine than to rip the 996 engine apart, track down the problem and "fix" it for a finite period of time.

GTR 993

I'm am getting a little confused here .....why would anyone spend even $40K on a motor when you can mod your turbo motor upto 600 hp for a heck of alot less? What is the advantages of doing this? Am I wrong or can you not take a standard 3.6l or 3.6l turbo motor and modifiy it for less than buying a new racing engine.

And $80K for a GT1 engine......is it made of gold? <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" />

Greg Fishman

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by GTR 993:
<strong>I'm am getting a little confused here .....why would anyone spend even $40K on a motor when you can mod your turbo motor upto 600 hp for a heck of alot less? What is the advantages of doing this? Am I wrong or can you not take a standard 3.6l or 3.6l turbo motor and modifiy it for less than buying a new racing engine.

And $80K for a GT1 engine......is it made of gold? <img border="0" alt="[nono]" title="" src="graemlins/nono.gif" /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">There is an old saying regarding engines, you can have it cheap, fast, and reliable. Choose two...

The race engines have lots of trick parts with exotic materials. We are not talking street car motors but ones that are designed to withstand redline after redline for 24hrs at a stretch.

I am sure that Steve W. and others could give you a run down on the internal differences.

I think the cost to take a GT3 Cup car engine and make it to SpeedChallenge Specs (basically a GT3RS motor)is close to $25K.

Derrick B.

I have heard that $10k figure for brand new 996 motors from the guys that buy used 2.5 liter Boxsters and put 911 motors in them. Like a RUF 3600 on the cheap. Search the Boxster forum for more, sounds like fun. Perhaps not up to track use though- it may be difficult to get adequate cooling for the larger motor.

spinning disc

overall, quite the ringing endorsement to get the street versions (non GT) of the 996. 'think i will never again be tempted by a 996 after learning about these subtle nuances now in the seemingly two car lines porsche sells. the production en masse and the production GT lines.

DJ

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Originally posted by Fred R. C4S:
<strong>But what most people don't know is that GT3 engines and transmissions have less in common with an 996 and more in common with a 993.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana,Tahoma,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva">Almost, but not quite:

GT3 engines and transmissions have nothing in common with a 996 and a lot in common with a 993.