TheGreatJ

This is another odd choice just for the sake of cost saving and better profits. Porsche 911 has remained a 4-seater (as a default) for 70 years, why start changing it now? (For other than the obvious reasons already mentioned..) Oh, the greed never ends..

Edit: I guess it's also because now they can state their car's "overall" weight without the back seats..

So, how much was the weight increase again between 992.1 and 992.2 (if you don't remove the back seats)? I bet 50 kgs isn't enough..

PSPorsche

We had the "fried egg" headlamps of the
1997 996.

Now we have the “Ringing Telephones” of 2024.

(I’m officially coining and Trade Marking this, so, journalists, please be sure to contact me. ;-) ).

GT4RSYMPHONY

How did they miss this?

Autobacs

I agree....it keeps more to the tradition but the base of old I think looks better than that.

Maskman

I have mine S Cabriolet coming the end of July and absolutely agree with your post. Couldn’t be happier…so glad to have manual and the Heritage Interior!

dhirm5

I'll be skipping this gen. Overall I like the hybrid, but not enough to jump right in and forego the manual transmission.

VarTheVar

What's interesting to me is that it sounds like the base Carrera now has the old Carrera GTS's turbos and a larger intercooler from the Turbo. That means the base 3.0LTT motor will now be more laggy. This is for emissions restrictions of maintaining Lambda throughout the entire rev range. The larger turbos and intercooler seems like they're being used to bring temperatures down so that Porsche can get away without fuel enrichment at the top end.

Also, Porsche hit the nail on the head in understanding what the GTS crowd is. More like Turbo and Turbo S customers than GT3, and that's what the car is geared for. Tech forward customers who care more about numbers and not so much about silly things like engagement, feel, lightweight, or manual gearboxes

Needsdecaf

This whole thing very much strikes me as an emissions exercise. Kind of reminds me of the malaise era of 150 hp 455 ci V8's. Look at all of this technology: more capacity (20%), electric drive motor and HV battery, electrically powered turbo....and for very negligible HP gain.

Internal water pump is not the only thing that's scary. Given the amount of sheer tech on this engine, literally the most minute thing will likely be a full engine out service. But, this is Porsche who determined that taking the bumper cap off on a 991 to change the air filter was normal so...maybe it's not so bad?

I dunno. I was hoping for more from this hybrid setup...as a current Porsche hybrid owner, we've loved our experience. On paper, this......really just seems like getting more of the same, with more complexity, just for lower emissions.

detansinn

I look at the changes here with 992.2 as a real dilution of the 911 character and experience. I am sure that it's fast and I have no doubt that the throttle response is improved by the hybrid.
For the people who were complaining that the 992.1 was too slow, Porsche has the answer.

There will be people that love this 992.2 GTS. I hope that they do, because they're looking at $200k with just a few options checked off.

I loved the 992.1. I put over 35k miles on my C4S in 2.5 years.
For me, we'll see what the 994 brings. In the interim, I am going to go out and enjoy my 3 pedal 991.2 Targa.

I do want to thank Porsche for lifting values of every 3 pedal 911. It does appear that the rowing your own gears will be reserved for the GT cars and a maybe a non-Hybrid T.

shrimp money

If you read the C&D article about the GTS released today, it is all about emissions. The boost itself is like 7psi more but only gets a few HP over the .1 version.

K996

Making the base headlights ugly is a tried and true Porsche way to get the upgrade box checked off.

The good news is that if you buy one, in 25 yrs they'll be quite rare as desirable "early build" cars. Getcher ringin' phone headlamps now fellas!

TheMurse

I have a feeling that the value of my 997 has just increased a bit...

There's a lot about the 992.2 that is interesting if not immediately appealing.

I'm not married to the idea that the 911 absolutely positively must not under any circumstances have a hybrid powerplant. Until I drive it I'll reserve judgement on the new engine.

Exploring the configurator I found some oddities - can't have deviated color seatbelts if you select the GTS interior package? PASM reverts to Carrera S sway bars and eliminates helper springs while raising ride height?

The vent slats have grown on me a little but that rear end/tail pipe arrangement is just not quite right. I think what my eye gets caught on is the space between the tailpipes, perhaps side-by-side is too close to the design of a GT3? Not a huge fan of the aesthetics of the rear on base Carrera either.

Disappointing that the electric shaver shifter has survived. Such a significant touch point in the cabin deserves a bit more thought. Every time I see one I feel like I have to gently grasp it between thumb and forefinger like I'm carefully lifting one strand of slippery pasta from my plate.

And now we get to the pricing - as optioned (and I'll admit that I didn't hold back on a stripper build) my GTS would touch a quarter million after taxes and insurance ($220,665). The argument that Porsche is leaving money on the table has merit but the idea that a non-GT division product would exceed the 200k mark is just not something I've come to grips with. And all that is before ADM and allocation games reach even deeper into my pocket.

But wait! My 997 (original MSRP of $106k) would cost $170k in today's dollars so maybe my gripe isn't with Porsche at all.

So I'm interested, and willing to give the .2 a chance, but so far the want factor is pretty low. Driving one might be a revelation, and that possibility is exciting, but from today's unveiling I'm just not bowled over.

drcollie

I just ordered a 2025 Cayenne S Hybrid Coupe yesterday, coming from an ICE V8 2021 Cayenne GTS. The difference in the two vehicles is significant and quite amazing.

I can only hope the 992.2 proves likewise. I'm withholding judgement until I see / drive one later this year, but without a manual transmission I would just buy a Ferrari instead.

Wilder

I just clocked 1,300 miles in a 1986 3.2 911 Carrera.
I drove from Germany to Belgium, then back to Germany, then Italy through Switzerland in twisty mountain passes.
I'm seriously considering replacing my 992 with an aircooled 911.
That car was the most FUN I've had driving in a long time and I also own a 7.2 GT3.
My thoughts on the 992.2 is that Porsche needs to stop being dragged into the idiotic HP race and use fun as the metric.
Fun = raw, light, manual, visceral, analog.
Sad to see Porsche transition from a bunch of passionate engineers to a bunch of pubco managers squeezing brand value on behalf of shareholders.
We don't need a faster 911. We need a more driver-focused 911.

VarTheVar

I agree with the sentiment but the fact is that Porsche has always been a progressive company. If they had this tech back in the 60s they would have used it then too