992.2 World premiere
05-28-2024, 08:58 PM
#61
I just clocked 1,300 miles in a 1986 3.2 911 Carrera.
I drove from Germany to Belgium, then back to Germany, then Italy through Switzerland in twisty mountain passes.
I'm seriously considering replacing my 992 with an aircooled 911.
That car was the most FUN I've had driving in a long time and I also own a 7.2 GT3.
My thoughts on the 992.2 is that Porsche needs to stop being dragged into the idiotic HP race and use fun as the metric.
Fun = raw, light, manual, visceral, analog.
Sad to see Porsche transition from a bunch of passionate engineers to a bunch of pubco managers squeezing brand value on behalf of shareholders.
We don't need a faster 911. We need a more driver-focused 911.
I drove from Germany to Belgium, then back to Germany, then Italy through Switzerland in twisty mountain passes.
I'm seriously considering replacing my 992 with an aircooled 911.
That car was the most FUN I've had driving in a long time and I also own a 7.2 GT3.
My thoughts on the 992.2 is that Porsche needs to stop being dragged into the idiotic HP race and use fun as the metric.
Fun = raw, light, manual, visceral, analog.
Sad to see Porsche transition from a bunch of passionate engineers to a bunch of pubco managers squeezing brand value on behalf of shareholders.
We don't need a faster 911. We need a more driver-focused 911.
just the way the world works now and despite the fact I agree with your post, if I was on the board of directors I'd be making the same decisions for the future of my company.
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AlexCeres (05-29-2024)
05-28-2024, 09:17 PM
#62
I know we don't technically need a "faster" 911 but if you start getting smoked in every magazine "0-60" test, and your burning more fuel, and you keep gaining weight due to technology and safety standards the market demands..... well eventually that would begin to hit sales hard and you may be too far behind to catch up.
just the way the world works now and despite the fact I agree with your post, if I was on the board of directors I'd be making the same decisions for the future of my company.
just the way the world works now and despite the fact I agree with your post, if I was on the board of directors I'd be making the same decisions for the future of my company.
The problem is that car makers refuse to shrink their cars. Maybe the market wouldn't accept a smaller 911. Most people that buy cars aren't thinking like we are
05-28-2024, 09:40 PM
#63
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Interesting that the announcement discussed the coupe and cab, but not the Targa. Yet there it is in the configurator. I did a quick check vs my 992.1 Targa 4S with many of the options that are now standard on the new GTS, and it looks like about a $14K price increase for a very similar car (other than power/torque increase).
05-28-2024, 09:45 PM
#64
Drifting
I disagree. There is an overall performance increase. The new car travels almost 50% farther in the first 2.5 seconds than the old one. I have to believe the driver will feel this low end push in almost all daily driving on the street. One might say a huge leap forward.
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AlexCeres (05-29-2024)
05-28-2024, 10:19 PM
#66
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I have been waiting for my GTS allocation which will be my 5th car. Add ADMs on a welll equipped GTS and we are looking at $250K OTD price in Seattle. I may still get it 
but what the hell dude!
but what the hell dude!
05-28-2024, 10:28 PM
#67
I just clocked 1,300 miles in a 1986 3.2 911 Carrera.
I drove from Germany to Belgium, then back to Germany, then Italy through Switzerland in twisty mountain passes.
I'm seriously considering replacing my 992 with an aircooled 911.
That car was the most FUN I've had driving in a long time and I also own a 7.2 GT3.
My thoughts on the 992.2 is that Porsche needs to stop being dragged into the idiotic HP race and use fun as the metric.
Fun = raw, light, manual, visceral, analog.
Sad to see Porsche transition from a bunch of passionate engineers to a bunch of pubco managers squeezing brand value on behalf of shareholders.
We don't need a faster 911. We need a more driver-focused 911.
I drove from Germany to Belgium, then back to Germany, then Italy through Switzerland in twisty mountain passes.
I'm seriously considering replacing my 992 with an aircooled 911.
That car was the most FUN I've had driving in a long time and I also own a 7.2 GT3.
My thoughts on the 992.2 is that Porsche needs to stop being dragged into the idiotic HP race and use fun as the metric.
Fun = raw, light, manual, visceral, analog.
Sad to see Porsche transition from a bunch of passionate engineers to a bunch of pubco managers squeezing brand value on behalf of shareholders.
We don't need a faster 911. We need a more driver-focused 911.
I don't think this hybrid system is what Porsche wanted to do...it is what they were forced to do to meet emissions standards, namely the mandate that a vehicle does not run rich at any point during its operation including at times of peak power performance. The reason they dialed up the performance so much is to make the hybrid acceptable.
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05-28-2024, 10:32 PM
#68
This is because they have to meet crash standards, and smaller cars have to meet stricter fuel economy and emissions standards....no one is asking for a bigger 911,
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PSPorsche (05-28-2024)
05-28-2024, 10:39 PM
#69
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Porsche is not making cars for the Rennlist peanut gallery -- i.e., those that want a smaller, more analog, lighter "driver focused" 911 (whatever the hell that means).
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
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AlexCeres (05-29-2024)
05-28-2024, 10:39 PM
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I don't think this hybrid system is what Porsche wanted to do...it is what they were forced to do to meet emissions standards, namely the mandate that a vehicle does not run rich at any point during its operation including at times of peak power performance. The reason they dialed up the performance so much is to make the hybrid acceptable.
This could be a REALLY good time to start collecting three pedal Porsches and squirrel them away in the garage.
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detansinn (05-28-2024)
05-28-2024, 10:54 PM
#71
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Porsche is not making cars for the Rennlist peanut gallery -- i.e., those that want a smaller, more analog, lighter "driver focused" 911 (whatever the hell that means).
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
05-28-2024, 11:07 PM
#72
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Porsche is not making cars for the Rennlist peanut gallery -- i.e., those that want a smaller, more analog, lighter "driver focused" 911 (whatever the hell that means).
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
Porsche is making cars, including the 911, for hoi polloi, who wants a car that is fast, comfortable and is easy to drive and effortless in making the driver feel like she's a better driver than she actually is.
Porsche has not lost its way; it has found a new way.
Of course they have to advance with the technology but try convincing anybody that a shaver like shifter is "a new way"
Then look at the older generation GTS models (even 992.1 with sport design package) and try convincing the hoi polloi that black front lower bumper of this 992.2 fits the heritage better than a body painted classic look 911 is known for. At least sport design was an option for 992.1. Now not even option on the GTS.
And heritage matters, the main reason 911 sells!
Automakers make mistakes while updating the cars. Some learn and fix, most don't so hope cannot be very high!
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InfiniteSmiles (05-29-2024)
05-28-2024, 11:19 PM
#73
Wow there's been so much change in this 992.2. For the next gen we might as well remove the rear seat option and relocate the engine to the middle. Now we really need an affordable analog line of 911 that half of us want.
With that GTS MSRP, I rather get something else.
With that GTS MSRP, I rather get something else.
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Manhattan_trout (05-28-2024)
05-28-2024, 11:41 PM
#74
Drifting
You can't produce a low cost gasoline car anymore because of all the government regulations. The only basic cars will be EVs and China is busy taking over most of that market with lower cost offerings.
05-28-2024, 11:48 PM
#75
Race Car
It needs that 2nd electric motor for the extra increase in combined horsepower, which is responsible for the extra distance you’re referring to.