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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 06:39 PM
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There are some inaccuracies on that list that make it a bit unfair for comparison for all of these. We were the very first to have OBD flashing from the start and it came standard with datalogging when we released over 2.5 years ago. Along with dyno mode, read/clear faults which means you don't need a PIWIS to access those functions. We also created and invented the custom code for features that others later then adopted as a result. We like to see these posts we just like to see it factual. Competition forces innovation which then the end-user benefits from which everyone loves to see. It means better products for everyone.

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Great thread thanks!

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Originally Posted by Harbortime
You should have another sale right now. I'm ready to buy but would be happy around the 2k mark!

We offer a premium tuning solution and have a pricing structure that is quite fair. If saving money is a priority for you there are some secondary choices to choose from. We are at the forefront of innovation for this platform, if you choose to go a different, cheaper route, you will likely be left behind when we have future releases.

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Originally Posted by M Engineering
There are some inaccuracies on that list that make it a bit unfair for comparison for all of these. We were the very first to have OBD flashing from the start and it came standard with datalogging when we released over 2.5 years ago. Along with dyno mode, read/clear faults which means you don't need a PIWIS to access those functions. We also created and invented the custom code for features that others later then adopted as a result. We like to see these posts we just like to see it factual. Competition forces innovation which then the end-user benefits from which everyone loves to see. It means better products for everyone.

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I am happy to update and want an objective comparison. I have no dog in this fight - this is just based on the info gathered from each respective tuners website.
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by M Engineering
We offer a premium tuning solution and have a pricing structure that is quite fair. If saving money is a priority for you there are some secondary choices to choose from. We are at the forefront of innovation for this platform, if you choose to go a different, cheaper route, you will likely be left behind when we have future releases.

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M Engineering people come across----EDIT-----.

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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 07:16 PM
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I started a Dragy performance thread where people can post up their actual performance numbers instead of just talk about them. Real data and stats is what matters.

https://rennlist.com/forums/992/1408...-and-more.html
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Harbortime
M Engineering people come across ----EDIT-----.
I don't get that impression at all, rather I believe if they've put in the work to get the results so many are happy with a right to speak with a bit of authority is called for. Knowledge is definitely present as well and what you perhaps perceive as cockiness should be understand rather as knowledgeable authority. Just my .02

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Should clarify the model these ratings are for. Carrera Base, S, GTS all have different base and some different tuned numbers. But this is the challenge with trying to summarize this data in a simple way.
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IMO another huge plus for the COBB is you can resell it as it's not permanently tied to one VIN.
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Whitten
Should clarify the model these ratings are for. Carrera Base, S, GTS all have different base and some different tuned numbers. But this is the challenge with trying to summarize this data in a simple way.
They are for base, just clarified.

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IMO another huge plus for the COBB is you can resell it as it's not permanently tied to one VIN.
Good point, I can add that.


For the tuners, this is just an attempt to sift through all of the data - as a consumer it's difficult to sort through the pros and cons of each. There will be puts and takes, it's just a way to inform potential buyers of what they are getting and how they stack up against each other - open dialog and competition spurs innovation and everyone wins.
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You should show the delta values between no tune and tune dyno test results.
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Old Apr 17, 2024 | 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Shogunade
IMO another huge plus for the COBB is you can resell it as it's not permanently tied to one VIN.
Where can one find these used Cobb tunes good sir?
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You are comparing OTS ‘off the shelf’ standard tunes, which frankly is meaningless because at some point every tuner comes up against the physical limits of octane and turbo capacity, so it’s just their decision how ‘close to the edge’ they want to get with your car in terms of ‘safe’ horsepower.

Rather than comparing ‘features’, take the time to understand the mechanics of tuning so you can ask informed questions, particularly regarding the safety factors that are in place to protect your car, etc.

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Originally Posted by Shogunade
IMO another huge plus for the COBB is you can resell it as it's not permanently tied to one VIN.
This above is very nice. Big thumbs up to Cobb for not being so greedy.
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Old Apr 18, 2024 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by elvisdoc
Where can one find these used Cobb tunes good sir?
Look in the classifieds. We have had Cobb for 2 vehicles and when you sell the vehicle you can un-marry the Cobb and sell it.
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